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  1. #1411
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    I agree Tom, a nice long burn 24/60 would be nice....

    Quote Originally Posted by tab28682 View Post
    A bit of a wild dream, but an RC glider load for the new 24-60 case would be awesome, if the plugged closure for the 24mm case comes along.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by rfjustin View Post
    Did you on-board video of said flight?
    Yes I do... it's pretty amazing to see the ground leave the rocket.. at the snap of the blue flame .. which snaps off in 0.7 seconds.. but that rocket was now at Mach 0.71 !! I haven't published it to YouTube yet since I've been hoping to integrate altitude, rate of climb and a time history plot overlay using Dashware. However, the last windows 10 update BROKE Dashware for me. Perhaps I'll upload the plain camera video until I can get on a system that Dashware still runs on.

    Kevin NAR, Section #534 LUNAR / TRA
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  3. #1413
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    K2050ST

    A quick video, no dashware since Windows 10 update broke it and GoPro hasn't fixed it.
    Aerotech RMS 54/1706 K2050ST-P
    Madcow Level2 Rocket, 12.5 lbs
    40 g's max acceleration
    Mach 0.71 in just 0.7 seconds!
    Apogee was 5,400 feet after a 17 second coast

    Last edited by kevinkal; 1st December 2016 at 03:30 PM.
    Kevin NAR, Section #534 LUNAR / TRA
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  4. #1414
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinkal View Post
    A quick video, no dashware since Windows 10 update broke it and GoPro hasn't fixed it.
    Aerotech RMS 54/1706 K2050ST-P
    Madcow Level2 Rocket, 12.5 lbs
    40 g's max acceleration
    Mach 0.71 in just 0.7 seconds!
    Apogee was 5,400 feet after a 17 second coast

    Looks like a sick motor and a great ride for a 4" bird... Great video, thank you!
    Justin Farrand
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    Awesome flight and video. I may just have to get one of these for my Wildman Demon.
    NAR# 100470
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    Special thank to Karl and Aerotech for standing by their product!

    Also watch those liners for any imperfections, damage, cracks etc prior to grain installation and if you see an issue - don't fly it. I'm not a rep for AT, just notifying.

    Thanks AT, great product. I'm looking forward to flying another M1939 and higher
    L1 - 10/14 Ash Grove RIP - Madcow Super Batray - H115DM
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  7. #1417
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    I bought one of the K2050's myself. Likely will get used in my Wildman Extreme next spring. No video for me- at least on board.
    Mark Koelsch
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  8. #1418
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallahan11 View Post
    I cannot for the life of me read any of the warp 9 motors on that image. And I have good eyes.
    I will upload a better black and white version for you guys.
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  9. #1419
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinkal View Post
    Flew a K2050ST over the weekend. It was a crowd pleaser. The 12.5 lb Madcow Level-2 rocket went from 0 to Mach 0.71 in 0.7 seconds. Peak acceleration close to 40 G's.

    Chris took a very nice underexposed shot as it snapped off the pad:

    Attachment 306000


    Look at that velocity slope:
    Attachment 306001
    That is an incredible photo, very nice flight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tab28682 View Post
    A bit of a wild dream, but an RC glider load for the new 24-60 case would be awesome, if the plugged closure for the 24mm case comes along.....
    They might go well together, huh? Hmmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinkal View Post
    A quick video, no dashware since Windows 10 update broke it and GoPro hasn't fixed it.
    Aerotech RMS 54/1706 K2050ST-P
    Madcow Level2 Rocket, 12.5 lbs
    40 g's max acceleration
    Mach 0.71 in just 0.7 seconds!
    Apogee was 5,400 feet after a 17 second coast

    Incredible footage, thanks for posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlmbr View Post
    Hi Charlie....This is a bump to my CATO of a J250W motor at Midwest Power. I haven't heard from Karl yet? If I need to be patient< just let me know. Thanks Greg Olson
    Karl has been in and out, I just spoke with him and he's on top of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick@JET View Post
    Special thank to Karl and Aerotech for standing by their product!

    Also watch those liners for any imperfections, damage, cracks etc prior to grain installation and if you see an issue - don't fly it. I'm not a rep for AT, just notifying.

    Thanks AT, great product. I'm looking forward to flying another M1939 and higher
    Thanks for putting this out there, good advice on the liners.
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    Well It's a Start

    Update on the Motor Matrix:

    All hobbyline is now caught up and I got quite a bit done, down to the 38/360 RMS line. I'll begin the 38/480 tomorrow and see where we end up. Will not currently allow me to upload a jpeg for some reason.
    Last edited by ATGM; 2nd December 2016 at 01:22 AM. Reason: attachment
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATGM View Post
    Update on the Motor Matrix:

    All hobbyline is now caught up and I got quite a bit done, down to the 38/360 RMS line. I'll begin the 38/480 tomorrow and see where we end up. Will not currently allow me to upload a jpeg for some reason.
    Charlie, how big is the file?
    Mark Koelsch
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    Quote Originally Posted by markkoelsch View Post
    Charlie, how big is the file?
    Around 600kb or so, can I email it to you?
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    I am not a mod here. I certainly would like a copy, and could put it on Rocketry Files so feel free to email it to me Charlie.
    Mark Koelsch
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  18. #1428
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    Put this together using the new GoPro from inside the test cell, turned out pretty cool!

    https://youtu.be/EUc7ber3MFs
    Last edited by ATGM; 3rd December 2016 at 12:21 AM. Reason: issues
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  19. #1429
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATGM View Post
    Put this together using the new GoPro from inside the test cell, turned out pretty cool!

    https://youtu.be/EUc7ber3MFs
    That was awesome.

    Looks like some casting tubes were spit out.
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    More importantly is that a mouse or cat that runs across the screen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATGM View Post
    Put this together using the new GoPro from inside the test cell, turned out pretty cool!

    https://youtu.be/EUc7ber3MFs
    Charlie, I like motors that can spank a rocket, and that truly qualifies!
    Mark Koelsch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donaldsrockets View Post
    That was awesome.

    Looks like some casting tubes were spit out.

    Just a bit
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    Quote Originally Posted by markkoelsch View Post
    Charlie, I like motors that can spank a rocket, and that truly qualifies!
    Yeah Mark we are closing in on certification now, hope to have this available in the next 30-60 days.
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    Completed Motor Matrix Now Available

    Do not be afraid to point out any errors, after a while the numbers just blur together.

    http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/upl...r%20Matrix.pdf


    Can also download it here:
    AeroTech Master Motor Matrix.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATGM View Post
    Do not be afraid to point out any errors, after a while the numbers just blur together.

    http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/upl...r%20Matrix.pdf


    Can also download it here:
    AeroTech Master Motor Matrix.pdf
    Why does it waffle between Dark Matter and Dark Metal?
    I thought all the DM loads are Dark Matter? Is there a difference between the two?
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    Buckle up back there, we're going into "Hyperactive!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATGM View Post
    They might go well together, huh? Hmmm...
    A long burn 24-60 motor, the 24-60 case and that possible new 24mm RC load compatible end closure would absolutely go well together!
    Tom Blakeney
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    Quote Originally Posted by jd2cylman View Post
    Why does it waffle between Dark Matter and Dark Metal?
    I thought all the DM loads are Dark Matter? Is there a difference between the two?
    They should all say Dark Metal, not sure where I got Dark Matter from. Sounds like fun though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATGM View Post
    They should all say Dark Metal, not sure where I got Dark Matter from.
    According to the Aerotech press releases, these are all Metalstorm DM(TM), aka Metalstorm Dark Matter.

    Whatever you call it, I think it's the prettiest sparky on the market!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATGM View Post
    29mm HP line will be getting a tune-up shortly. We have released 10 new motors in the past 2-3 months so we will get there eventually. Also look for a threaded plugged 29mm closure and possibly an extended forward closure to hold a longer delay. I don't think you are in the minority on this, we have a lot of requests for those loads in this case. Just a matter of getting to it.
    Just poking the dead horse.... Any luck on this?
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    In October I noticed that the KBA L2300G wasn't on the NAR combined list. I asked NAR S&T about this and they said it was a mistake. But the 30 October revision showed a sport use ends date of December. 2016 implying that it lost certification in 2013. I asked about that and now the 28 November version says December 2018. Or decertified in 2015. Still no response to my questions about that.

    I have tilted at this windmill long enough and it is now someone else's turn to give it a go.


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