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  1. #1501
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    Quote Originally Posted by Initiator001 View Post
    During the latest episode of the Rocketry Show, Charlie mentioned that a 24mm single-use 'Sparky' 'E' motor may become available...
    This I will look forward to... twofers, even!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ATGM View Post
    Without a new shipping exemption we will not be able to offer any sparky reloads smaller than 38mm. However, we can ship S/U hobby sparkys so if we were to make an 18mm sparky it would have to be single use for now.
    Ok, how about other propelents? Smokey? Red? Etc.

    SU would be fine btw.

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  3. #1503
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    Hi Charlie.... Have the replacement motors been sent to the Wildman Yet? This is about the J250W motor that CATO'D at MidWest Power in Nov. 2016. Thanks Greg Olson Elgin,IL

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATGM View Post
    I think you are placing too much value on a new catalog. The motor matrix contains all of the information you need and can be updated daily if necessary. This isn't to say that a new catalog isn't happening but there are other areas to address. If after a year and a half all we have to be concerned about is a catalog then I would say that is quite successful compared to where we were at.
    I agree. Between the ThrustCurve app on my iphone (you can download everything in case you don't have service on the field), the new motor matrix, and the info that comes with the reload kit, I've never wondered which motor to fly next. Let the '09-'10 catalog live on!!! (just my opinion.)

    You guys have done a great job resolving the hardware availability and limited communication issues from a while ago, and coming up with lots of new motors to keep us happy and coming back for more.

    Are there any plans for more 38-1320 reloads? I would absolutely love a green load for this case. A long burn white lightning would be very interesting, but probably not see a lot of use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlmbr View Post
    Hi Charlie.... Have the replacement motors been sent to the Wildman Yet? This is about the J250W motor that CATO'D at MidWest Power in Nov. 2016. Thanks Greg Olson Elgin,IL
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  6. #1506
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    For the second time in a row I've ordered a DMS H550 (38mm Super Thunder) and gotten an RMS reload kit instead. I really suggest that AT change the name of the reload kit to something other than H550. It seems like most vendors' stocking systems are unable to keep track of two products with the same name.

  7. #1507
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikec View Post
    For the second time in a row I've ordered a DMS H550 (38mm Super Thunder) and gotten an RMS reload kit instead. I really suggest that AT change the name of the reload kit to something other than H550. It seems like most vendors' stocking systems are unable to keep track of two products with the same name.
    I agree, a reload and single use should never be the same numbers
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  8. #1508
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRIFFIN View Post
    I agree, a reload and single use should never be the same numbers
    That is a weakness in the inventory system- not an issue with the motors. Vendors need to fix this not Aerotech.
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  9. #1509
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    Quote Originally Posted by markkoelsch View Post
    Vendors need to fix this not Aerotech.
    That's one way to look at it. Another is that both AT and CTI have selected motor names for reasons other than the average impulse before, so there's no need to reuse the same name. You can look back at this very thread and see that many people were unaware there even was an RMS version of the H550.

    BTW, I have been contacted by vendors who went out of their way to keep track of these items, and that's great. Unfortunately I wasn't dealing with them. No blame for anyone really, I just think it'd be less confusing if this issue didn't exist.

    The H550 is a great motor in both DMS and RMS versions, so no complaints there!

  10. #1510
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    Quote Originally Posted by emckee View Post
    So much for the 24 and 29mm sparkies in the pipeline...
    They can still stay in the pipeline but they may be quite a ways down there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceManMat View Post
    Ok, how about other propelents? Smokey? Red? Etc.

    SU would be fine btw.
    Nothing planned at this time for new AT 18mm loads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoops View Post
    I agree. Between the ThrustCurve app on my iphone (you can download everything in case you don't have service on the field), the new motor matrix, and the info that comes with the reload kit, I've never wondered which motor to fly next. Let the '09-'10 catalog live on!!! (just my opinion.)

    You guys have done a great job resolving the hardware availability and limited communication issues from a while ago, and coming up with lots of new motors to keep us happy and coming back for more.

    Are there any plans for more 38-1320 reloads? I would absolutely love a green load for this case. A long burn white lightning would be very interesting, but probably not see a lot of use.
    We don't have anything planned at this time but the 1320 case is on our radar for some new loads. A few others have been asking for a green there also so we will be doing some research throughout the year. Mostly though you will see new hobby products in the first part of the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATGM View Post
    We don't have anything planned at this time but the 1320 case is on our radar for some new loads. A few others have been asking for a green there also so we will be doing some research throughout the year. Mostly though you will see new hobby products in the first part of the year.
    Charlie, I wonder who might be asking for Mojave Green? I think it would be me- very likely my favorite propellant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikec View Post
    For the second time in a row I've ordered a DMS H550 (38mm Super Thunder) and gotten an RMS reload kit instead. I really suggest that AT change the name of the reload kit to something other than H550. It seems like most vendors' stocking systems are unable to keep track of two products with the same name.
    There won't be anymore DMS/RMS that share names moving forward. Currently the J250 and H550 are available as DMS and RMS although the J250s are completely different motors. That being said, we ship them pretty frequently and rarely if ever have any issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlmbr View Post
    Hi Charlie.... Have the replacement motors been sent to the Wildman Yet? This is about the J250W motor that CATO'D at MidWest Power in Nov. 2016. Thanks Greg Olson Elgin,IL
    Hi Greg,

    Please contact our warranty department for any status updates or you may want to get a hold of Wildman and ask him if he received them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markkoelsch View Post
    Charlie, I wonder who might be asking for Mojave Green? I think it would be me- very likely my favorite propellant.
    Oh yeah Mark, you are definitely one of them
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  17. #1517
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    Charlie,
    I'd like to put in a plug for more reloads for the 1 grain 75mm case.
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    I'm looking forward to flying these K-2050's this year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfjustin View Post
    I'm looking forward to flying these K-2050's this year...

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    Me too. Thinking sometime this spring in my Wildman Extreme.
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  20. #1520
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Shannon View Post
    Charlie,
    I'd like to put in a plug for more reloads for the 1 grain 75mm case.
    +1 to this as well...

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    As long as we are putting in requests, I would love a non-hazmat reload for the 38 480 case (which is suspect is the practical size limit for the smaller grain size required).
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    Good morning Charlie,

    I recently took delivery of (2) K-2050's. Based on posts in this thread, the grains need to be bonded to the liner. Question is, does the K-2050 get bonded to the liner WITHOUT grain spacer o-rings? Both of the K-2050's did not include said O-rings, so I wanted to make sure long before I glue one of these rascals together. If they DO require grain spacer o-rings, what is the dash number please?

    Thank you sir,

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  23. #1523
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    AT issued an advisory and grain bonding instructions for:

    75mm
    K1000T, L1520T, L2200G, M1500G, M1780NT

    98mm
    L1500T, M2400T, L2500ST, M4500ST, M1845NT, M2100G, M2500T, M2000R, M6000ST, N2000W, N3300R, N2200DM

    I was unaware of the need to bond the K2050 reload for the 54/1706 case. I have not yet received my WM Black Saturday order.
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  24. #1524
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    Wildman Tim called and spoke to Charlie yesterday. The K-2050 does not need to to be glued together. The TMT announcement contains that erroneous instruction that the 2050 needs to be glued. It would be great if TMT updated the announcement as to not confuse customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rfjustin View Post
    Wildman Tim called and spoke to Charlie yesterday. The K-2050 does not need to to be glued together. The TMT announcement contains that erroneous instruction that the 2050 needs to be glued. It would be great if TMT updated the announcement as to not confuse customers.
    Have you, Aerotech, or anyone else passed this information on to TMT? Or at least post it in the Tripoli Forum?


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    If you post a link to where the incorrect information is published and if I can get confirmation from Aerotech that the information is incorrect, I'll bring it up with the appropriate people. I don't know if the motor testing was done with the grains glued or what effect that has on the certification.


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    If it needs to be bonded than I don't want one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Shannon View Post
    If you post a link to where the incorrect information is published and if I can get confirmation from Aerotech that the information is incorrect, I'll bring it up with the appropriate people. I don't know if the motor testing was done with the grains glued or what effect that has on the certification.


    Steve Shannon
    Okay, I found which message on the Tripoli Forum had the information about gluing the grains.

    Once I've received confirmation from Charlie that gluing is not correct I'll bring it up to the board and see what can or should be done about Paul's announcement. I doubt we would change his original announcement, but we might want to reply to it with a clarification or correction.

    I would urge people not to use the certification announcements as instructions. Always use the manufacturer's instructions, which may include auxiliary materials, such as the advisory about gluing grains.


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    I received clarification from Charlie. If the rocket is one that will be subjected to high acceleration, glue bonding the grains makes sense. For rockets with a lower acceleration gluing the grains is not necessary. I'll talk to the rest of the board to see what, if anything, needs to be added to Paul's announcement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Shannon View Post
    I received clarification from Charlie. If the rocket is one that will be subjected to high acceleration, glue bonding the grains makes sense. For rockets with a lower acceleration gluing the grains is not necessary. I'll talk to the rest of the board to see what, if anything, needs to be added to Paul's announcement.
    Steve, thank you for gathering additional input here from AT, much appreciated!



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