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Today I went to a launch with a local club. My plan was to stop by a LHS in a nearby town not far out of my way in order to pick up some Q2G2 igniters. They're the only place in the area I know of that carries Quest products. But, "sorry, sometimes [they] close on weekends in the summer for family vacation." Don't worry, next time I'll get them from an online discount retailer instead of wasting my time and gas, thanks. So I wasn't able to fly my Comanche 3 Upscale today :mad:
 
Soooo....you were flying with a club and you couldn't barter, trade or buy some Q2 ignitors or something else that would work from someone?

A lot of times these little LHS stores have zero extra employees because they can't afford the over head so yeah, that means if they want to take a family vacation (like the rest of us do) it means closing the store.

Did you check their web site? Was there information about closing in advance? If not, I would reckon you have a valid complaint.
 
Did you check their web site?

A who?

Soooo....you were flying with a club and you couldn't barter, trade or buy some Q2 ignitors or something else that would work from someone?

They were too busy having a toddler sit at the LCO table pushing the launch buttons and having unleashed dogs run free on the premises.

A lot of times these little LHS stores have zero extra employees because they can't afford the over head so yeah, that means if they want to take a family vacation (like the rest of us do) it means closing the store.

Maybe they should try to look up from the counter once in a while, try to learn something about their products, and stop lecturing patrons about how the Chinese are going to attack the USA after they buy up all our food production facilities.
 
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Don't like the LHS, don't like the local club.... Sounds like a bad weekend.

Generally, I try to have everything set a few weeks in advance for anything. I'm no fan of my local hobby shops. They're train and slot car people. But being pissed a shop wasn't open so you could but a $5 pack of igniters is a bit extreme. A lack of planning on your part is not their fault.

And regardless the number of toddlers pushing buttons or dogs running around, I'm pretty sure someone would have let you have an igniter if you asked.
 
Generally, I try to have everything set a few weeks in advance for anything.

I wasn't going to make a two hour drive for some igniters, that's why I figured I'd pick them up on the way. I just assumed that a hobby shop would be open on a Saturday for prime selling opportunity. Lesson learned. Now, had I known they were going to be closed I would have ordered them online anyway, so the end result is the same.

And regardless the number of toddlers pushing buttons or dogs running around, I'm pretty sure someone would have let you have an igniter if you asked.

I asked about igniters and a power inverter for a soldering iron since mine was shot. Since I'm a guest and don't know anyone, I asked an officer. "I don't know." was the response. I don't think I need to pester every stranger my first visit. A little announcement or referral to somebody who could help would have been nice.
 
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Sorry to hear the club is so unhelpful. My first club launch was a few months ago. I wasn't even done swearing at my failed crapperhead and Bill Clune was handing me a 4 foot long magnelite to stuff into a G76. I've since made about a hundred of them. Ever need one when I'm around...I'll happily help you lose the Comanche. :)
 
About all I can say is WOW!

As I was reading this thread, I was gong to quote this post and then that post and then I figured that I would end up quoting most of them so I opted not to use that feature.

I am not an officer of my local club, and I rarely fly LPR or MPR, but I almost always have a handful of motors (A's, B's, & C's) with extra igniters on hand. It IS fun to walk around the prep areas and see the kids excited about prepping their rocket. Or catching them when they come back from that "last" flight and handing them another motor!

Additionally I usually make what ever is in my range box available to anyone that might need it. I have gone to launches where others have shown up with little more than a rocket and motor and needed to scrounge everything else - lube, igniter, a screw and washer for motor retention, a few quick links (college kids you figure that they would have it a little more together (seems this groups does that often - the joys of a checklist).

As far as our local club, if you ask an officer for assistance, if they cant provide it, they will get on the P.A. and ask for you, and there is usually more than one person that is there to help.

I actually enjoy going and helping others as much as I do flying!!!

In all fairness I do have to add, that If I am going to a major launch with a big project (or more) I usually pack the range box and tool chest with project specific requirements, but I am still willing to loan out what I have!
 
Some hobby clubs are better than others. I won't have my first ever experience with a model rocketry club launch till August but I have had some experiences with RC clubs that were less than pleasant. The first time I went out to the flying field of one RC club I met a very helpful and friendly guy but then I never saw him much. The rest of the club seemed to be very cliquish, especially the guys in my age group. I was in my mid 40's at the time. I ended up getting along best with the retired guys who had a regular Tuesday afternoon flying session. Another club was closer to me and I attended an event there and they seemed in their own little world and totally disinterested in new members. I never went back. To be fair, I am kind of shy around people I don't know so maybe I come off as stand offish.
 
The folks at my local club are as helpful as could be. Sometimes I'm just to stubborn (or shy, if you can believe that) to ask for help!
 
About all I can say is WOW!

As I was reading this thread, I was gong to quote this post and then that post and then I figured that I would end up quoting most of them so I opted not to use that feature.

I am not an officer of my local club, and I rarely fly LPR or MPR, but I almost always have a handful of motors (A's, B's, & C's) with extra igniters on hand. It IS fun to walk around the prep areas and see the kids excited about prepping their rocket. Or catching them when they come back from that "last" flight and handing them another motor!

Additionally I usually make what ever is in my range box available to anyone that might need it. I have gone to launches where others have shown up with little more than a rocket and motor and needed to scrounge everything else - lube, igniter, a screw and washer for motor retention, a few quick links (college kids you figure that they would have it a little more together (seems this groups does that often - the joys of a checklist).

As far as our local club, if you ask an officer for assistance, if they cant provide it, they will get on the P.A. and ask for you, and there is usually more than one person that is there to help.

I actually enjoy going and helping others as much as I do flying!!!

In all fairness I do have to add, that If I am going to a major launch with a big project (or more) I usually pack the range box and tool chest with project specific requirements, but I am still willing to loan out what I have!


Me Tooooooooo.........
I have gravitated to HP..........
Thats what I like.........no big deal.............
But I still have ALL of my stuff with me at a launch.........
I wouldn't know what to do without it.............
And most important,,,,,,,I live for someone asking me for help,,,,,,,,,,,
It makes me feel good to be able to help.............
I totally don't understand not being able to get an igniter at a launch,,,,,,,,,
I give away F and G Aerotech loads,,,,,,,, I have so many and don't use them anymore..........

Teddy
 
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"Poor planning on your part, is NOT an emergency on my part" "You know what happens when you assume...." and my favorite. "Let me drop everything I'm already doing, and work on your problem."

OK, so the LHS closes on the weekend sometimes. Maybe it was his child's (or granddaughter's) wedding. Maybe he was out taking an opportunity to enjoy his hobby for a change. What ever the case, when you plan to fly, if you think you are going to need something, a phone call earlier in the week will tell you if they plan to be open. If not, you have time to make other arrangements.
 
Hobby shops are rapidly going the way of the dodo bird, and this is part of the reason why... Not that online retailers never have problems, but they usually have a lot more flexibility and seem to deal with them much better... Plus, I have yet to see ANYTHING at a LHS cheaper than you can find it online. Basically it boils down to a tradeoff-- price versus convenience... If you want to hold it in your hands, flip it over and take a look at it, see if you like it or not before you buy (without having to try and make all those judgments from a usually poorly-worded short descriptive bit of text and a thumbnail-size pic from one angle, sometimes of the object in the bag or package and barely visible) then the LHS is probably the ticket... and the "take it home with you right now" aspect. If you want to save a buck (usually) and are willing to wait for the post office or delivery company to mangle or lose your package, then online vendors are just the ticket... LOL:)

Course, that's *assuming* (and we all know what happens when you ASSUME) that your LHS has what you need or want anyway... most don't. I know from my personal experience of going to every LHS that deals with rocketry items in the greater Houston metroplex area, it's lucky if you find one with more than one back corner of the shop dedicated to rocketry-- anywhere to 4x8 feet of display area for all their rocketry products, to usually at most 8x8 feet... vary rarely a half-aisle of rocketry merchandise. Most of their floor space is taken up with RC planes and cars and helis-- that where the REAL money is! Even trains are going second-string and losing floor space... model railroading isn't as popular as it once was. With the proliferation of foamy park-flyers and RTF outfits, RC has literally really taken off... and with lipoly technology and better electric motors supplanting the need for gassers and glow motors, RC is easier than ever... What irritates me most about LHS's, beside their ridiculous markups on rocketry items, is that usually the employees are very disdainful when you ask a question-- they either don't know (and don't care), or act like you're TOTALLY wasting their time (even if they're just standing there BS-ing and polishing the display case with their butt) because they know that a rocketry sale is not going to be a high-dollar sale, at least not compared to the typical RC related sale...

For these reasons, I RARELY buy anything at a LHS... I OCCASIONALLY will visit one, if I'm "in the area" on other business, and have a little time to waste... it's nice to look around and actually "lay hands on" something you're considering buying. BUT, I kinda keep track of things I'd consider buying, and know the prices online versus the prices in a shop-- and they have to be pretty darn close for me to buy from the shop-- IOW, the "convenience factor" of laying hands on it and buying it on the spot and taking it home "right now" has to be "worth it to me" for the additional cost that the hobby shop will inevitably charge over the online vendor... and the "convenience cost" of having to do it online and then wait a few days to see how well the postal service or delivery service managed to mangle your package, if they didn't lose it first... Most of the time, the LHS charges SO MUCH MORE for the item that I simply cannot justify blowing the extra money versus just ordering it online and waiting and hoping it arrives intact. I'm all for supporting the local hobby shop, but sometimes their prices are like the item was gold-plated after they got it... Sorry but I can't afford to support them THAT much!

As for the club thing, well, it's a mixed bag... depends on what you like, I guess... Personally I like the more "laid back" approach... I don't like operations that are SO anal-retentive that they'd have a sh!t-fit about a little kid launching the rocket... (I personally like the misfire alley system-- I want to use my own gear, not be stuck with the club's stuff, doing it when THEY want it done-- BUT, it takes a SELF-DISCIPLINED group to make that work safely, and self-discipline is an increasingly rare commodity nowdays, especially in larger groups... hence the more centralized club launcher setup is probably better for a lot of clubs/situations). I can also relate on the "dogs running around without a leash" type thing...YOU may love your dog, but *I* don't, and I don't want the slobbering, wet cold-nose thing sniffing around or running around or jumping around on me and my stuff... IOW, keep the d@mn thing on a leash or leave it at home IMHO... Course kids *can be* just as bad if not worse... depends on the group I guess... I don't want other people's brats running around messing with my stuff or running after rockets they shouldn't and stomping on them in the brat stampede either, which I've heard some folks complain about with certain clubs/launches... I know if I had to deal with super-anal-retentive overbearing types, or dogs/brats running around unsupervised and with no sense whatsoever, *I* wouldn't be launching with a group like that... but that's just me... YMMV...

Anyway, sorry for your problems... *most* of the club people I've met have been very helpful and friendly, and are more than willing to go out of their way to lend a hand (or anything else you might need) to help you get your flight off and done right. But, people are people, and unfortunately a lot of people SUCK! There's always some people who get off on playing dictator and wanting to run everything like a little tin god, or walk around with their nose so far up in the air they'd drown if it rained, deigning to respond to anybody not in their little clique, or who just want to show up like "Bubba and Shirley leave the trailer park" and turn a carload of kids and dogs loose on everybody with NO supervision whatsoever to make everybody's life a living h3ll... and raise sand with anybody who DARES to correct their little varmints...

Better luck next time (and perhaps elsewhere...)

Later! OL JR :)
 
"Poor planning on your part, is NOT an emergency on my part" "You know what happens when you assume...." and my favorite. "Let me drop everything I'm already doing, and work on your problem."

OK, so the LHS closes on the weekend sometimes. Maybe it was his child's (or granddaughter's) wedding. Maybe he was out taking an opportunity to enjoy his hobby for a change. What ever the case, when you plan to fly, if you think you are going to need something, a phone call earlier in the week will tell you if they plan to be open. If not, you have time to make other arrangements.


WOW, nice guy! I hope you were joking...

LHS are a retail business and if they want to stay in business they need to keep consistent hours. I buy online or from the dealers who come out to the launches I attend to prevent problems and besides, very few LHS carry anything for the HPR flyer. If someone at a launch needs something, I am more than happy to help. I am never too busy!
 
Sorry you weren't able to launch. Looking forward to your flight report. Hope you can get everything together soon. I hate it when I have worked really hard to get something together and am looking forward to finally seeing the culmination of my efforts and something simple like a missing part or dead batteries or a weather change gets in the way.

Hope the flight goes well!
 
I know I'm old but it took 14 posts before someone suggested a phone call could have saved a lot of aggravation (just like not opening this thread would have saved me). As online didn't come through for you, either, I don't think you could say they won.

I'm sorry the club you tried to fly with wasn't as friendly as we are in the well-known-as-friendly New England area. Someone today needed an fresh motor starter after two or three failed attempts to light a White Lightning. Our RSO went down the line to his field box and got him something that did the trick.

I hope all these bad experiences don't leave you sour, pick1e.
 
Well, my point of posting was simply that the shop irritated me for being closed on a Saturday- the day I would most expect a hobby shop to be open. Yes, if they had a website, they should put it on there. They should also put it on their answering machine. Now I'm going to order igniters online so that I have them next time. So however you want to slice it, they lost my business, and an online retailer gained it- and I won't be silly enough to rely on them again for anything.

As for the launch, I did have fun. I enjoyed watching everybody's handy work flying, and I also had a bundle of other rockets I brought to fly. I just didn't get to fly my "flagship" model that I was looking forward to for the past month.

As for the club, they are nice enough, but certainly not particularly friendly. I was never greeted or welcomed or anything like that. That and the surprising lack of safety... I mean I paid $15 to be able to fly for the day- I'm sure most of that goes toward liability insurance. So when toddlers are launching rockets, dogs without leashes are running through the range at full tilt while rockets are launching, rockets are hitting the ground within 10 feet of my wife sitting well behind the flight line with no "heads up" warning, and unsupervised kids are recovering my mid power rocket for me via dragging, you wonder why insurance costs so much? I don't know how often I'll go back- I don't want to be there when a toddler grabbing a fallen rocket gets their fingers blown off by a late ejection charge hooked up to live electronics.
 
Yea, people grabbing my rockets would tilt me off unless it was hidden/out there. As for igniter issues.... I ran out once and decided it'll never happen again (probably overkill):
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Yea, people grabbing my rockets would tilt me off unless it was hidden/out there. As for igniter issues.... I ran out once and decided it'll never happen again (probably overkill):

Yea I think you're good to go there for a while. ;) I need to look into getting a fistfull of those. In this case, though, I wanted Q2G2's in particular for airstarting BP motors in a mid power rocket. I actually used Estes igniters before but ended up browning out the controller due to current draw- so it never deployed a main. I didn't want to risk that again. Since cash is not abundant at the moment, the idea was to get some Quest BP motors that come with the Q2G2's, use those igniters for airstarting, and I can always ignite those motors with the abundance of Estes igniters I have. (Lots of extras from staging).
 
I try to give my local hobby stores business when I can. Years ago, I had a hobby store, so I know how it is. That behing the case, I am probably more critical than most. Small hobby stores can't compete on prices vs. online retailers. Some have posted that LHS mark up rocketry items too much.. well... that really isn't the case. Rockets have a standard mark-up like most things in the store. The manufactures like Estes have made huge pricing increases over the years. I'm sure the costs have gone up, but don't blame the retailer. The so called "high ticket items", like rc car kits and radios make so much less because of online competition. So in all reality, if a LHS has a market for rockets, they should promote it more! One of the things a LHS can do is be reliable. The first thing you can do to be reliable is to have consistent hours. Sorry, but if you want to run a hobby shop, you need customers to stay in business. Pissing off a customer is not good for business. One of the most basic rules in marketing is that it is so much easier to retain a customer than it is to find a new one!

I try to give the local guys a few chances. But if they fail, I'll go elsewhere. It is sad that there are not a lot of hobby stores around anymore. I don't feel sorry for my LHS if they don't carry much rocketry anymore. They simply don't want the business if they are not trying to support a product line. I should be able to reasonably expect to be able to pick up a pack of igniters or at the very least expect them to be open on a regular business day.

Times have changed. The online retailer is fast becoming the king.

As for your local club. That just sucks! Both clubs I go to out here are very helpful. The folks that run them and the members are all very friendly and always willing to help out if they can even if that means helping you find someone who has what you need!


Jerome
 
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Sounds like a crummy club for the type of flying you want to do... I don't think I'd be putting up with that sort of nonsense either, and ESPECIALLY not paying $15 bucks to do it! We don't charge anything at our club launches... (I provide the land free of charge to the club).

Course, as the landowner, we wouldn't be allowing dogs free run of the place either-- but then we're an actual beef cow/calf ranching operation, and dogs and livestock rarely mix well... Have enough problems with the local city yahoos moving out into the country and thinking they can just turn a half dozen dogs loose to roam the countryside at will-- "your land is my land" type thinking-- chasing cattle and calves and otherwise harassing the livestock, to say nothing of roaming up into our yard and messing with our dog (or my folks, knocking it up with mutt puppies we then had to get rid of...) I've been nice about it so far, but when friendly stop-by-their-house to let them know their dogs are roaming our place doesn't seem to have any effect, I'm about ready to exercise my rights to shoot dogs molesting my livestock as allowed under Texas law...

People are so friggin' irresponsible nowdays... most people suck...

Later! OL JR :)
 
People are so friggin' irresponsible nowdays... most people suck...

Later! OL JR :)

I wouldn't be so quick to believe everything you see on the internet especially if pick1e flew with the club I think he flew with. There's 2 sides to every story and we're only hearing one...:eyeroll:

And that's all I will say about that...

-Dave
 
Since the closest “Local” hobby shop is a 240+ miles round trip, and they don’t carry much if anything in rocketry, I do all my shopping by e-tail simply by default.

Back when I lived in Sunnyvale CA and there were several very nice hobby shops within BICYCLING distance I bought from them.

As a child, mid-late ‘60s and early ‘70s, I spent my summer vacations visiting relatives in many a small towns throughout Arizona, Texas and Oklahoma. It was not uncommon for these towns to have small but well stocked hobby shops and for the children of these relatives to be involved in one hobby or another; typically plastic models, model trains or model rockets.

By the mid to late ‘70s these shops were ALL GONE and this was long before Wal-Mart and the internet came along. With the demise of the local, small town, hobby shop, the participation in the afore mentioned hobbies has dwindled to where it is today which is virtually nil.

You could put a compass on my town and draw a circle 100 miles in radius, maybe more, and you might find one other person besides me that is engaged in model railroading and or rocketry; I know, I’ve looked.
 
Yea, people grabbing my rockets would tilt me off unless it was hidden/out there. As for igniter issues.... I ran out once and decided it'll never happen again (probably overkill):
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Well, that looks like enough to get through the morning, but what are you going to do in the afternoon? I hope you have an emergency supply! :wink:

Regarding online vs. local.... I think there are great and awful businesses in both arenas. I patronize some of each, but all things being equal would prefer to support a local small business, especially hobbyist-owned. There are a bunch of great small hobbyist-owned rocketry businesses that are online-only, too.

And if you had ordered the igniters online and had been billed but not received them in time for your launch (this type of thing certainly happens), you could easily have had the opposite "winner." Or if your launch had been this week or next, when the LHS hadn't gone fishin'. In other words, this experience is not enough to form a general opinion. Another thing to note is that online rocketry supplies (like running a LHS) is a niche business that can be less consistent based on the small size, and it's always a good idea to make direct contact before counting on getting something by a specific date (whether it's near or far).
 
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I wouldn't be so quick to believe everything you see on the internet especially if pick1e flew with the club I think he flew with. There's 2 sides to every story and we're only hearing one...:eyeroll:

And that's all I will say about that...

-Dave

I would love to hear the "other" side of facts. Maybe I was hallucinating?

Here is a photo of my rocket being launched by a child with no adult within arm's reach of the controls. Should I go ahead and forward this to the insurer?

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Shall I keep going? :eyeroll:
 
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I would love to hear the "other" side of facts. Maybe I was hallucinating?

Here is a photo of my rocket being launched by a child with no adult within arm's reach of the controls. Should I go ahead and forward this to the insurer?

Keep going?

Go ahead. I already checked with the TRA insurance guru if this was okay and he said it was. The outcome of the flight will be the same if a kid pushes the button or an adult. We have kids push the button all the time at Michiana. Deal with it. Scott (the guy in blue) sure looks like he's in arms reach to me.

Yep, that is JMRC. I know several individuals in that photo and they are some of the nicest fellas i have ever met. Your experience is the exception not the rule. Too bad you had to disparage them in public like this. I can email Scott and a few of those other fellas tonight if you'd like and see what they have to say. Heck I think I have Scott's number here somewhere. Its only fair we get their side of the story...
 
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