Daffynition: What really makes something an Odd-Roc?

[Micromeister]

OK! I've been accused of being an Odd-Roc junkie. and Yes I do enjoy building and flying FUNNY things, but what really makes a model qualify as an Odd-Roc?

Is it the overall look?
Is the the materials and construction?
It is the way it flys...or attempts to fly?
or is it just in the eye of the beholder in that, this "Model" is something that wasn't intended to fly??

Here are a couple simple examples of what "I" think of was Odd-Rocs. I'll be very interested to see and hear what the rocket flying community thinks.

[Gillard]

my view of what an odd roc is, is a "rocket" that i look at and think -that's a bit odd.
so everything in the pictures above are odd in my opinion, although there are rockets like saucers where i am starting the think that they are almost not an odd roc because thet are getting more common.

[jadebox]

or is it just in the eye of the beholder in that, this "Model" is something that wasn't intended to fly??

Yes ... I would define it as a rocket that doesn't look like a something intended to fly.

When we have our "Akavish" spider-themed rockets on display at a launch, someone always asks if they are really rockets. That pretty much defines them as "odd-rocs." :-)

-- Roger

[JAL3]

Yes ... I would define it as a rocket that doesn't look like a something intended to fly.


But aren't saucers commonly considered to be oddrocs as well?

[Micromeister]

But aren't saucers commonly considered to be oddrocs as well?

I'd think to look at most saucers, they wouldn't be something considered "normally" as something that flys? but I only had five photo places for the opening post.

and what about "Bottle or container Rockets", Crayons and Critters?

[The EGE]

If the RSO takes one look and LAUGHS
If it's not 3FNC and spins rapidly
If it falls into pieces during flight.... intentionally
If it goes less than 10 feet per mm of motor diameter
If it contains a significant number of motors not pointed down
If it comes with ATF, FBI, and FDA warnings
If it's wider than it is long
If it is spherical, cubical, or otherwise not rocket-shaped
If the UFO junkies come to your house at night
If it's made to look like something not a rocket
You asked Tim Van Milligan about putting it in Rocksim and he laughed at you
If it's the reason you no longer have hair
If the materials list includes titanium, uranium, alcohol, dry ice, lignum vitae, or "industrial-grade duct tape"
If your name is Dick Stafford and you wear your rocket
If it uses sticks, cones, or nothing at all for stability
If the only conventional material on it is the motor mount
If is has less than 2 or more than 20 fins
If it flies on 18mm motors... and they make you launch if off the away cell
If other folks still heckle you about 'the accident'

[Micromeister]

If the RSO takes one look and LAUGHS
If it's not 3FNC and spins rapidly
If it falls into pieces during flight.... intentionally
If it goes less than 10 feet per mm of motor diameter
If it contains a significant number of motors not pointed down
If it comes with ATF, FBI, and FDA warnings
If it's wider than it is long
If it is spherical, cubical, or otherwise not rocket-shaped
If the UFO junkies come to your house at night
If it's made to look like something not a rocket
You asked Tim Van Milligan about putting it in Rocksim and he laughed at you
If it's the reason you no longer have hair
If the materials list includes titanium, uranium, alcohol, dry ice, lignum vitae, or "industrial-grade duct tape"
If your name is Dick Stafford and you wear your rocket
If it uses sticks, cones, or nothing at all for stability
If the only conventional material on it is the motor mount
If is has less than 2 or more than 20 fins
If it flies on 18mm motors... and they make you launch if off the away cell
If other folks still heckle you about 'the accident'


#1 #1 #1 :roll:

[NjCo]

#1 #1 #1 :roll:

Why does that picture remind me of the anvil launching thread from a couple months back! :)

[MarkII]

This has got to be one of the all-time strangest rockets ever designed (http://www.rocketreviews.com/reviews/all/anfscd.shtml). Brilliant! :roll:

EDIT: Oops, wait -- I didn't see the flying toilet... :y:

MarkII

[spacecadet]

Perhaps one of these would qualify.

[rstaff3]

My two favorite odd-rocs

[rstaff3]

...

and what about "Bottle or container Rockets", Crayons and Critters?

And how much of a rocket has to be odd before it's an odd-roc?

[rstaff3]

Two comments of the definitions of same...

1. They may be hard to define, but ya' know them when ya' see them :shock:

2. I personally don't consider saucers to be odd-rocs. They are just too common and I consider them mainstream. Kinda like saying gliders are odd-rocs.

[spacecadet]

And how much of a rocket has to be odd before it's an odd-roc?

36.47%.
Unless it qualifies under the Fairlie Exception when a figure as low as 15.29% may be accepted. Even so the Birtlebog Challenge may be invoked by an objector qualified under rule 456(a) (2).*


* The full text of this rule reads as follows:
'Mornington Crescent'.

[Micromeister]

36.47%.
Unless it qualifies under the Fairlie Exception when a figure as low as 15.29% may be accepted. Even so the Birtlebog Challenge may be invoked by an objector qualified under rule 456(a) (2).*


* The full text of this rule reads as follows:
'Mornington Crescent'.

Have to agree with Spacecadet on that one LOL!!!! 36.47% LOL :roll:

[rstaff3]

Is this in the pink book? Or whatever color the book is.

Actually, I've developed a reputation at MDRA. The only rockets of mine they consider odd are the ones that aren't odd :cyclops: Helps with RSOing....they just mumble a bit and stamp the card.

[ScrapDaddy]

Does anyone know where I can get the plans for the flying toilet?:roll:
o just need to bring a newspaper......

[Der Red Max]

Does anyone know where I can get the plans for the flying toilet?Why? Were you're thinking of losing the "S" in your name/handle?:D

[ScrapDaddy]

Nope I just really wanna build one

[jeff_in_AZ]

Maybe John can post some more details. From the photo caption,
though, it looks like the original design was unstable, so you
might need to make some changes for it to fly right (whatever
that means for a toilet). :-)

You probably already know about this, but Estes has a kit along
the same lines called the "Porta Pot Shot", a flying porta potty.
It doesn't go very high but it's fun. There's a review here:

http://www.rocketreviews.com/reviews/all/est_porta_pot_shot.shtml

[Micromeister]

It was Exceedingly UNSTABLE! I don't think the builder ever considered weather or not the thing would be stable LOL!!! it wasn't a pretty sight.
Might I suggest scrapdaddy try building a couple easier to stabilize Odd-Rocs before he jumps into something as asymmetric as that.

[ScrapDaddy]

It was Exceedingly UNSTABLE! I don't think the builder ever considered weather or not the thing would be stable LOL!!! it wasn't a pretty sight.
Might I suggest scrapdaddy try building a couple easier to stabilize Odd-Rocs before he jumps into something as asymmetric as that.

ooooohh i have an idea dangle some toilet paper from the rocket it will provide some drag and stablize the rocket abit without ruining the asthetics

[Pem Tech]

Why? Were you're thinking of losing the "S" in your name/handle?:D

*snark*
Ok, that was good....

:clap:

[Micromeister]

ooooohh i have an idea dangle some toilet paper from the rocket it will provide some drag and stablize the rocket abit without ruining the asthetics

You really worry me some there Scrapdaddy;
I wish you'd spend a bit more time reading and learning the basics.. do you have a copy of Stines book "The Handbook of Model Rocketry"? any addition you can get your hands on if fine.... I strongly suggest spending some time in depth with this volumn.

[ScrapDaddy]

We are talking about a flying toilet here there's no need to be serious :roll:

[ScrapDaddy]

But I do run a copy of tim van milligans "model rocket design and construction although it never mentioned a flying toilet

[Micromeister]

But I do run a copy of tim van milligans "model rocket design and construction although it never mentioned a flying toilet

Van Milligans book is a Secondary addition to the library....not the Handbook! Quest, has the current edition available, as does amazon, NARTS etc.
If your going to be posting about any type rocketry, ya really need to have a working knowledge of the subject. I've been reading some of your posts and they indicate to me your either pretty green or just trying to up your post totals or sound funny. We're all very happy to helps folks with their rocket building needs on TRF and some of us who've been around awhile really like to pay forward by answering on this and other forums but it really doesn't take the place of doing some ground work yourself;)

Again! I Strongly suggest spending the 20 bucks or so for a copy of the Handbook of Rocketry by G. Harry Stine. It's loaded with answers to many of the question asked and will really help with your approach and mindset.

Odd-Rocs are one of the many "side line" sort of advanced forms of Model rocketry that require a bit more then just a desire to build something. They can Hurt if not designed and produced with care and at least a little engineering before the first flight. Roc-sim won't help a bit with most odd-rocs, you'll need other skills to determine CP/CG relationships and other Stability requirements. The fellow that flew the 1/3rd scale toilet without much in the way of pre-judgement or precausion wasn't prepared at all, I use those photos as posters of what NOT to do in designing Odd-Rocs, that flight could have caused accident or injury, the only thing that prevented them was a Very good range crew and a headsUP RSO. I for one do not take these type conditions lightly, If a model has little or no chance of a successful flight it's just not worth launching.
Sure this is a hobby, and Yes it's a ton of fun. but like most outdoor activities it Can be a bit dangerous if we do not STRICTLY follow the Model rocket safety code tempered with a very good dose of common sense.
One thing i've learned over the 45+ years I've been flying in this hobby.. We all need to Think before we ACT.

Didn't mean to get so serious on ya but Odd-Rocs is one of my other Favorites in the hobby. I want Lots of others to build and fly them...but doing it SAFELY.

[ScrapDaddy]

I have noticed that the odd roc catagoy only has 11 threads.... And someone told me a quote that i wont soon forget "Challenger should have tought us one thing if in doubt DONT LAUNCH!"
I really think I belong in the odd roc catogory of rocketry I mean come on what's wrong with 3FNC? Although if you somehow get that thing stable SELL it as a kit! I bet that would sell out withen 20 secs of releasing (some people have an obsessin with ummm "objects used in the septic system" and rockets those just make a perfect pair.... And for the record what engine size was the one used on the flying toilet? Oh and I'd really like to see Tim Van Milligan turn that into a rocksim file....... But that's for aN another day......

[Micromeister]

Odd-Roc forum section is only a little more then a month old which is why there are only 11 threads.

Many of us "Old timers" have been building these Odd contrapsion for as long as we've been flying back in the mid 1960's. I think one of the original ODD-Ball rockets came out as an Estes Kit " the Birdie" which was simple an short 18mm motor powered badmitten bird.
Since then there have been litterly hundreds of strange flying creations. Some don't fly at all like a model rocket, others are built around "themes".
Some NAR Sections have even had on-going annual contest. such as the "Maryland Funny Meet" at which all events are flown with some sort or Odd-Roc. Events Like Un-Scale, Floatation duration, Barbie Bail-out Spot landing, Critter Creations, and on and on.
Odd-Roc creation is only limited by our creativity and imagination....Tempered with a bit of basic Rocket science and engineering. but don't let these frighten or dishearten. These principals are ALL spelled out in Stines Book...and others that I'm sure you'll find and follow up with.

Personally my current rocket fleets (Standard and Micro) contain 63 different Odd-Rocs. I haven't bothered to upload them here again because they were already posted in old TRF-1 in at very long thread on Odd-Roc building. There are a ton of others who fly ODD-Rocs that might be considered regular model rocket like the "Crayon Craze" but I still consider them Odd-Roc as they are truely a strange "Skywriting impliment" LOL!!!!
I've downscaled and stablized the flying toilet but have chosen NEVER to release it as it's even as a 3 D-12 cluster was/is a really tricky build. perhaps when I rework it to fly on a micro maxx cluster I may change my mind, until that time well... the photos of that awful failed attempt will be as far as the public well see:)

Here are a few of the odd rocs in my current fleets, I'm sure if you do a search of TRF-1 you'll find that old thread with Lots of other folks creations as well.

[ScrapDaddy]

That explains it :D I knew somthing as crazy as this should have more threads
I am New to TRF:blush:

[MarkII]

Even before the Birdie, there was the Spaceman (http://www.ninfinger.org/rockets/catalogs/estes64/64est14.jpg)...

MarkII

[ScrapDaddy]

Oh I've seen some of those on rocket reviews (oddly enough theve been oop since 196somthing) I haope semroc makes a retrorep of it

[les]

The Spaceman is available from Semroc for $6. They don't show up in the regular catalog but if you use their search you will find it.
Decals are available from Excelsior

[ScrapDaddy]

Semroc just has everything doesn't it?

[Peartree]

Semroc just has everything doesn't it?

Yup.

Pretty much. :)

[ScrapDaddy]

Now estes is making plastic Rockets : ( I can put my 2pennies on that the only kits that are "authentic" are the intercepter the der red max and the bertha. Now semroc is just making everything estes USED to make but hey people like it :) please note I was not alive when estes was in it's glory days I wish I was

[MarkII]

Now estes is making plastic Rockets : ( I can put my 2pennies on that the only kits that are "authentic" are the intercepter the der red max and the bertha. Now semroc is just making everything estes USED to make but hey people like it :) please note I was not alive when estes was in it's glory days I wish I wasBut you are here now and participating in the hobby in it's new golden age. Plenty of really great things are happening in sport rocketry now, perhaps more than at any time in its history. And you are here to be part of it all. :)

MarkII

[ScrapDaddy]

Yeyes I am and I wouldn't miss a minute of it for the world

[ScrapDaddy]

But you are here now and participating in the hobby in it's new golden age. Plenty of really great things are happening in sport rocketry now, perhaps more than at any time in its history. And you are here to be part of it all. :)

MarkII

ANd You Say That Like Its A good Thing.......:y::D:y:

[Micromeister]

ANd You Say That Like Its A good Thing.......:y::D:y:

As far as this being a new golden age of rocketry ScrapDaddy...IS a Great thing.

That your comin up in it?? well that's truely totally up to you...Study, read and learn..it'll be ton's of fun...slap stuff together and try to fly it on the other hand.. you'll be very disappointed.

[ScrapDaddy]

Well I don't see myself being dissapointed for a long time; I have learned an extreme amout dabbling on rocksim and posting on TRF; before this place I thought that....well I didn't know the difference between what the CP and the CG was in fact I didn't even know what they were :D

[Micromeister]

Well I don't see myself being dissapointed for a long time; I have learned an extreme amout dabbling on rocksim and posting on TRF; before this place I thought that....well I didn't know the difference between what the CP and the CG was in fact I didn't even know what they were :D

That's what we're here for... to help others.

Tell me! Did your "Handbook of Model Rocketry" arrive yet? I'd really like you to spend some time in the Stability chapter. Rocksim is a nice tool but it is only that, a tool, needing basic knowledge backup so when the program give you unrealistic results you can reconize it and make corrections. A sim is NEVER the answer, it is only a Simulation.

[rstaff3]

Geesh, I should turn this thread into the mods for going OF TOPIC :y:

Should RockSim ever be mentioned in a thread about odd-rocs?

Before you answer that, is a 3FNC made from tortillas, a jalapeno pepper and painted in taco sauce count as an odd-roc?

There, back on topic :cyclops:

[ScrapDaddy]

And does the toilet rocket use any fins? I can't seem to find them

[spacecadet]

Should RockSim ever be mentioned in a thread about odd-rocs?

Before you answer that, is a 3FNC made from tortillas, a jalapeno pepper and painted in taco sauce count as an odd-roc?

There, back on topic :cyclops:
I'd be doubtful about tortilla as a primary structural component. Bit floppy fresh, and brittle if toasted. But if that's a card tube underneath, fine.
But think on- isn't it just a 3FNC covered with tasty snacks?
Now, a 1:1 scale model of a filled tortilla, or even a real one with some structural support (transparent plastic?) which could be shared round the flightline after recovery- THAT is an oddroc.

[rstaff3]

I'd be doubtful about tortilla as a primary structural component. Bit floppy fresh, and brittle if toasted. But if that's a card tube underneath, fine.
But think on- isn't it just a 3FNC covered with tasty snacks?
Now, a 1:1 scale model of a filled tortilla, or even a real one with some structural support (transparent plastic?) which could be shared round the flightline after recovery- THAT is an oddroc.

The tortilla was used exclusively for the BT and fins so it wasn't just covered. I did use a motor tube, a straw lug, Kevlar twine, an Estes chute and a small piece of cardboard that was slid into the jalapeno as it was too squishy to hold the shock cord. The tortilla was quite robust if not a tad heavy. First flight was under powered and core sampled. Second flight the chute stuck. The tortilla tube was not that smooth. There was minor damage so I stuffed a tube in the top for the third and final unsuccessful flight. :neener:

[rstaff3]

OK, I say my Whole Enchilada is an odd-roc. Many plastic doohickies become rockets and are still just 3FNC.:D

[ScrapDaddy]

Odd-Roc forum section is only a little more then a month old which is why there are only 11 threads.

Many of us "Old timers" have been building these Odd contrapsion for as long as we've been flying back in the mid 1960's. I think one of the original ODD-Ball rockets came out as an Estes Kit " the Birdie" which was simple an short 18mm motor powered badmitten bird.
Since then there have been litterly hundreds of strange flying creations. Some don't fly at all like a model rocket, others are built around "themes".
Some NAR Sections have even had on-going annual contest. such as the "Maryland Funny Meet" at which all events are flown with some sort or Odd-Roc. Events Like Un-Scale, Floatation duration, Barbie Bail-out Spot landing, Critter Creations, and on and on.
Odd-Roc creation is only limited by our creativity and imagination....Tempered with a bit of basic Rocket science and engineering. but don't let these frighten or dishearten. These principals are ALL spelled out in Stines Book...and others that I'm sure you'll find and follow up with.

Personally my current rocket fleets (Standard and Micro) contain 63 different Odd-Rocs. I haven't bothered to upload them here again because they were already posted in old TRF-1 in at very long thread on Odd-Roc building. There are a ton of others who fly ODD-Rocs that might be considered regular model rocket like the "Crayon Craze" but I still consider them Odd-Roc as they are truely a strange "Skywriting impliment" LOL!!!!
I've downscaled and stablized the flying toilet but have chosen NEVER to release it as it's even as a 3 D-12 cluster was/is a really tricky build. perhaps when I rework it to fly on a micro maxx cluster I may change my mind, until that time well... the photos of that awful failed attempt will be as far as the public well see:)

Here are a few of the odd rocs in my current fleets, I'm sure if you do a search of TRF-1 you'll find that old thread with Lots of other folks creations as well.

lets hope you MMx Downscale it and what was the main meterial?

[Micromeister]

The tortilla was used exclusively for the BT and fins so it wasn't just covered. I did use a motor tube, a straw lug, Kevlar twine, an Estes chute and a small piece of cardboard that was slid into the jalapeno as it was too squishy to hold the shock cord. The tortilla was quite robust if not a tad heavy. First flight was under powered and core sampled. Second flight the chute stuck. The tortilla tube was not that smooth. There was minor damage so I stuffed a tube in the top for the third and final unsuccessful flight. :neener:

I like it Dick!
Alway like flying food! Tortilla chips is a wonderful break for the norm. LOL!!!

[barstoolmike]

Here's some of mine.
19782

19783

19784

19785

19786

Mike

[Kira_Majeric]

I love your icecream cone!


Here's some of mine.
19782

19783

19784

19785

19786

Mike

[barstoolmike]

Thank you, I flew it at LDRS last year on a J350 & Mid West Power on a J570.

Mike

[Kira_Majeric]

Thank you, I flew it at LDRS last year on a J350 & Mid West Power on a J570.

Mike

Does it fly well?

[barstoolmike]

It fly's awesome. Lot of smoke & a flame trail longer than the rocket. Does around 700' to 900'. It's a little bit over stable, so it has a slight arch into the wind, but not to bad.

Started out as a plastic bank.
10 1/2" diameter & about 28" tall & 10lbs.

I tried to load some launch photos, but it wouldn't let me. I don't know if they are to Hi Rez.

Mike

[Kira_Majeric]

I had the same issue with some of my photos. I had to shrink the image to 75%.

[MattieShoes]

It's the file size that matters. Photoshop's "save for web" feature allows one to adjust the quality of a jpeg to make the file a certain size. There are also several web pages that allow you to upload a photo and it'll spit a smaller version back at you. Google "online image resizer" or some such.

[barstoolmike]

Thanks for the advise, lets see if it works.
19873

19874

Mike

[Kira_Majeric]

Thanks for the advise, lets see if it works.


Mike

Nice shots.

[barstoolmike]

I think these came from Neal at Rockets magazine.

[MarkII]

Here's one that I really wish I had built: - Ed Miller's Hershey Hug at NERRF 2005:


http://www.nerrf.org/images/kiss_2.jpg

Mark K.

[Kira_Majeric]

Here's one that I really wish I had built: - Ed Miller's Hershey Hug at NERRF 2005:



Mark K.


That is a great one! Everyone loves a Hershey's Hug.

[MarkII]

Yes, every RSO needs a Hug... :p

Mark K.

[Kira_Majeric]

Yes, every RSO needs a Hug... :p

Mark K.


and cookies. We might have to bring some for the RSOs at XPRS this year. They are stuck out in the heat all day.

[MarkII]

and cookies. We might have to bring some for the RSOs at XPRS this year. They are stuck out in the heat all day.Probably lots of ice, too. :p

Mark K.

[Kira_Majeric]

Probably lots of ice, too. :p

Mark K.

I am from the Bay Area, I do not think I will ever have enough ice there..... so dry.... But to see all of those stars at night, that was worth the dehydration.

[MarkII]

I am from the Bay Area, I do not think I will ever have enough ice there..... so dry.... But to see all of those stars at night, that was worth the dehydration.I never thought that dessication could be so much fun! :roll:

Mark K.

[Kira_Majeric]

I never thought that dessication could be so much fun! :roll:

Mark K.


When my boyfriend told me he was taking me there, I told him he was nuts. I burn really easily, an very sensitive to light, and get heat sickness very easily. ^_^ I'm glad I went, though. The stars were worth it, I had never seen so many, even in all of my camping and hiking. And the launch was totally awesome. ^_^

[MarkII]

When my boyfriend told me he was taking me there, I told him he was nuts. I burn really easily, an very sensitive to light, and get heat sickness very easily. ^_^ I'm glad I went, though. The stars were worth it, I had never seen so many, even in all of my camping and hiking. And the launch was totally awesome. ^_^OK, that's it. I've heard enough. Now I definitely have to go there. Maybe not this year, maybe not next year, but some year soon, I'll be there. I can't stay away. :D

Mark K.

[Kira_Majeric]

OK, that's it. I've heard enough. Now I definitely have to go there. Maybe not this year, maybe not next year, but some year soon, I'll be there. I can't stay away. :D

Mark K.


Let me know when you do. We will cheer for your rockets!

[jqavins]

OK! I've been accused of being an Odd-Roc junkie. and Yes I do enjoy building and flying FUNNY things, but what really makes a model qualify as an Odd-Roc?

Is it the overall look?
Is the the materials and construction?
It is the way it flys...or attempts to fly?
or is it just in the eye of the beholder in that, this "Model" is something that wasn't intended to fly??

I think it's in the eye of the beholder, but you can figure most beholders' eyes would agree on a few things. When people say "That's a rocket?!" or "You don't really fly that thing, do you?" or just laugh for any reason, such as those above, it's an oddroc.

Here are a couple simple examples of what "I" think of was Odd-Rocs. I'll be very interested to see and hear what the rocket flying community thinks.
I don't know if saucers are too common these days to get the reactions, but I love that all wods saucer with the spiral fins. I want one.

[RocketManDan]

my view of what an odd roc is, is a "rocket" that i look at and think -that's a bit odd.
so everything in the pictures above are odd in my opinion, although there are rockets like saucers where i am starting the think that they are almost not an odd roc because thet are getting more common.

or instead of the rocket being odd, the person launching it could be a couple sandwiches short of a picnic:roll:

[Gary Byrum]

I have a friend in Michigan who built a bunch of "Fiddle Faddles" from my original design. I can't remember which competition or maybe a cert level she was trying to enter one of them in as most are HP jobs, but they told her she couldn't use it because it was an odd rock. Neither of us would have thought this was an odd rock design but apparently because of the box fins at the bottom, it is. You judge for yourself. Pardon the beer can. It's only there as a size reference.

[GDJ]

I guess after reading this thread (:D) I have now determined that my smallest rocket "Tripod".....
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/Max_Payne_0001/Miscellaneous%20stuff/P1020337.jpg

....is just classified as "different", not "Odd"?

[DaveC]

Fiddle Faddle doesn't look that odd to me. I want a LPR version, or even just the plans.

Mark's comment about lots of ice got my twisted mind thinking about clear casting resin and icicles, just the ticket for a winter launch, and maybe the one rocket that clear pecan fins would not look silly and out of place on.

Luckily for RSOs and all other space cadets I know my own limits of rocket design well enough not to try to cook one up until I have quite a bit more experience. White, silver and ice blue paint scheme however, that I can do...

[Gary Byrum]

I created this little bugger almost 40 years ago and won a design contest with it back in 85 I think. This is a BT 50 version which I find to be a more reliable size. If anyone that decides to build this, don't hesitate to ask questions. I will stress this one thing. Be extremely patient when mounting the long leader fins as just a slight tweak can make a great lot of difference for the box fin section. This is why I recommend cutting those to fit. Dave, you will provide us with a build thread?:D

[Gary Byrum]

If any of you got that jpg file...ditch it. Use the newly attached PDF file.

[jqavins]

I can't open the PDF. Acrobat 9 Standard (i.e. not Reader) says it's damaged and could not be repaired. Retried the download with the same result.

I love the design, so I'd really like to get the plans.

[Gary Byrum]

Just email me at glbyrum@charter.net and put Fiddle Faddle in the subject line. I'll send it to you. If it's crashing your Adobe then you need an updated reader. I made the file with Acrobat Pro 6.0. All of my clients have no problem opening my files so it must be your reader.

[LW Bercini]

If either of you do decide to build Gary's Fiddle Faddle, make sure you use a dense balsa for those long "leader" fins. I can tell you from experience that replacing one of those is a real pill.

[MarkII]

Would this be regarded as an odd-roc? :wink:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3Pgx3NRWXZM/TpVdp5FSAfI/AAAAAAAABHY/APq13B9t-qE/s530/carlisle-patent.JPG

[Micromeister]

Would this be regarded as an odd-roc? :wink:

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Nope! the original designed Model-Rocket and Rack Rockets are not, nor is the Fiddle faddle. To say the Boxed fins makes it odd doesn't cut the mustard. There have been MANY REAL sounding rockets with boxed fins. GDJs Tripod handle is really on the cusp as well...make those fins disappear (out of clear material) it would be another story. If it looks like a rocket, the it is very difficult to call it an ODD-ROC.
Personally I don't like to include "Most" sausers as odd-rocs because Aeroshells have been flown in full size Rockety forever but even thats to general as the Hershey Kiss or HPR HUG as it were well qualify, while just about all spools are Odd just by being spools.
While the ultimate difference may be difficult to define, as someone suggested earlier..the eye of the beholder...and those looking at a creation often make a clear distinction.

[Rocketlady]

I have a friend in Michigan who built a bunch of "Fiddle Faddles" from my original design. I can't remember which competition or maybe a cert level she was trying to enter one of them in as most are HP jobs, but they told her she couldn't use it because it was an odd rock. Neither of us would have thought this was an odd rock design but apparently because of the box fins at the bottom, it is. You judge for yourself. Pardon the beer can. It's only there as a size reference.

This is not truly an odd-rock design. I have been told by a few TAP members that is okay to fly for a cert flight as the square base fin is equal to a ring fin. Yes, I attempted my L3 with the biggest version. Nothing wrong with the design as it flies straight in all sizes - even on windy days! :wink:

[Rex R]

now if one were to replace the nose with a flat plate and made it look more like a jackstand...:).
rex

[Gary Byrum]

@ Rex, way too funny man! Right up there with the tag Lawrence gave it, "A Flying Weather Vane".
@ Kath, Hey girl! Didn't know you were a member. Good to see you around. Was I incorrect in my statement regarding you being told it was a odd rock? Could have sworn you told me that.

[Gary Byrum]

now if one were to replace the nose with a flat plate and made it look more like a jackstand...:).
rex

HA! Call it Jack Faddle! I even have a version in Goonie style. Named it Goonie Faddle of course. Flies real good too.

[Micromeister]

HA! Call it Jack Faddle! I even have a version in Goonie style. Named it Goonie Faddle of course. Flies real good too.

And a Neat Little rocket it is...not ODD at all.

[LW Bercini]

And a Neat Little rocket it is...not ODD at all.

Gary,
Perhaps you should send the Micromeister the specs for your Micro Faddle

[Daddyisabar]

Everything I need to know about defining an Odd Roc I leaned in Kindergarten. To define an Odd Roc you simply need to apply the following legal test: The Odd Roc Kindergarten Playground test. Imagine the club launch as a Kindergarten playground - that is not hard to do - and you have a rocket. You go over to the HI PO clique and they do not let you play with them, then you go over to the pink book competition clique and same result, and the same with the sport, scale, futurists/sci-fi, PMC, saucer, spool, Goonies, card stock, mid power, low power, micros, cluster junkies and altitude junkies. After all that rejection you finally find a small group way over in the corner of the field and there is the Odd Roc clique. They welcome you and your rocket with open arms and shake you warmly by the hand. You have built an Odd Roc.

[Micromeister]

Gary,
Perhaps you should send the Micromeister the specs for your Micro Faddle

No need LW...Already have a tiny 4 fin & NC Micro that would only need the fin boxing strips to transform into a full micro Faddle:) Would make installing the motor a bit tighter.. It's not an Odd-Roc either.

[Micromeister]

Everything I need to know about defining an Odd Roc I leaned in Kindergarten. To define an Odd Roc you simply need to apply the following legal test: The Odd Roc Kindergarten Playground test. Imagine the club launch as a Kindergarten playground - that is not hard to do - and you have a rocket. You go over to the HI PO clique and they do not let you play with them, then you go over to the pink book competition clique and same result, and the same with the sport, scale, futurists/sci-fi, PMC, saucer, spool, Goonies, card stock, mid power, low power, micros, cluster junkies and altitude junkies. After all that rejection you finally find a small group way over in the corner of the field and there is the Odd Roc clique. They welcome you and your rocket with open arms and shake you warmly by the hand. You have built an Odd Roc.

Actually we have a whole yahoo group LOL and all Odd-Roc's are welcome:)
OBTW aren't goonies by their existance ODD-Rocs? I only have the one so I can't really judge....

[Gary Byrum]

No need LW...Already have a tiny 4 fin & NC Micro that would only need the fin boxing strips to transform into a full micro Faddle:) Would make installing the motor a bit tighter.. It's not an Odd-Roc either.

You're absolutely dead on about the motor. It's a bit of a trick getting it in and out. But will it look like the real deal? That IS a ping pong ball beside it btw.

[jeff_in_AZ]

Calling something an odd rocket is sort of like calling something pornography -
it's difficult to define precisely, but you know it when you see it.

[jeff_in_AZ]

Here are a few pictures of my odd roc fleet. The first photo shows the ones that have flown at least once, the 2nd photo is the build queue. Some of the rockets in the first photo were kits, like the Fliskits Decaffeinator and UFFO, the Art Applewhite designs, the Estes Star Wars rockets, and the Loc Cool Spool. The others were scratch builds. I do have some 3FNC rockets too, but for some reason I have a lot more fun with odd rocs.

p.s. Just a suggestion, if you want to keep harmony in your house, don't set your dirty old odd rockets on your wife's nice, clean, white tabelcloth. :-)

[DavieRockets]

I guess this Pile-O-Punkins rocket I just finished fits in the oddroc category. I was planning to fly it today at our monthly launch but the weather is really bad this weekend. We've re-scheduled for next weekend which is actually closer to Halloween anyways.

[Daddyisabar]

Calling something an odd rocket is sort of like calling something pornography -
it's difficult to define precisely, but you know it when you see it.

Easy test: An Odd Roc has no socially redeeming value or appeals to the prurient interests as judged by community rocketry standards. Flying anything but a sleek 3 or 4FNC on the biggest motor possible is tantamount to Rocketry Porn and is therefore subject to the strictest RSO scrutiny possible. Thus endeth today’s lesson.;)

[LW Bercini]

Flying anything but a sleek 3 or 4FNC on the biggest motor possible is tantamount to Rocketry Porn

:rofl:

[Daddyisabar]

Actually we have a whole yahoo group LOL and all Odd-Roc's are welcome:)
OBTW aren't goonies by their existance ODD-Rocs? I only have the one so I can't really judge....

Goonies have such as large following now they are considered a separate and recognized rocketry religion as opposed to s smaller cult or sect of the Odd Roc universe.

[jeff_in_AZ]

Easy test: An Odd Roc has no socially redeeming value or appeals to the prurient interests as judged by community rocketry standards. Flying anything but a sleek 3 or 4FNC on the biggest motor possible is tantamount to Rocketry Porn and is therefore subject to the strictest RSO scrutiny possible. Thus endeth today’s lesson.;)

Hee hee. Well, I was just making a weak attempt at
humor, I wasn't trying to imply that 3FNC rockets are porn.
Where I fly (AZ) they launch all sorts of rockets up to L3,
and my kids and I get a big kick out of watching that. I also have
an L1 project slowly taking shape in my garage (a normal 3FNC
kit from Loc). But, as the forum description says, I also like
to bring out something a little ... different ... now and then
at our launches, just to add a little wackiness to the mix.
This probably says something about me too, I guess. :)

[Daddyisabar]

Hee hee. Well, I was just making a weak attempt at
humor, I wasn't trying to imply that 3FNC rockets are porn.
Where I fly (AZ) they launch all sorts of rockets up to L3,
and my kids and I get a big kick out of watching that. I also have
an L1 project slowly taking shape in my garage (a normal 3FNC
kit from Loc). But, as the forum description says, I also like
to bring out something a little ... different ... now and then
at our launches, just to add a little wackiness to the mix.
This probably says something about me too, I guess. :)

Must read test carefully ... the BUT is key to the joke. You have to be thick skinned to be an Oddrocketeer!