AeroTech Offers Prize For Fastest RMS Assembly Video

[Garoq]

AeroTech/RCS will provide a $500 AeroTech gift certificate to the individual who produces a video that demonstrates the fastest assembly of an AeroTech, Dr. Rocket or Rouse-Tech RMS-29/180 motor hardware with an AeroTech RMS-29/180 reload of their choice.

The video must show unpacking the reload, complete motor assembly and igniter installation. Videos must be posted to YouTube for public viewing, and links to the videos must be sent to customerservice@aerotech-rocketry.com.

Deadline for entries is June 30, 2009, and the winner will be announced at LDRS-28 in Potter, NY during the dinner banquet on July 4th.

AeroTech employees and dealers are not eligible.

[mikec]

The video must show unpacking the reload, complete motor assembly and igniter installation.
Does the motor have to then be fired and not CATO? I think not greasing the O-rings would save a fair bit of time. :)

[shreadvector]

Does the motor have to then be fired and not CATO? I think not greasing the O-rings would save a fair bit of time. :)

tsk, tsk.....

http://www.geocities.com/fredeshecter/cato_origin.pdf

(I was going to post a nearly identical question but then the phone rang....) :neener:

[Garoq]

Does the motor have to then be fired and not CATO? I think not greasing the O-rings would save a fair bit of time. :)

No, but greasing the o-rings would be part of "complete motor assembly".

FYI, one of our employees was able to completely assemble a G64W motor today in 1 minute, 27 seconds.

[shreadvector]

Any extra points if this theme music is playing in the background?

http://www.televisiontunes.com/Benny_Hill_Show.html

[Garoq]

Any extra points if this theme music is playing in the background?

http://www.televisiontunes.com/Benny_Hill_Show.html

Yes! Yes! Be creative!

[Graham Orr]

the biggest problem i have with the 29/180 reloads is getting the spacer into the delay (cardboard) tube. this occupies 80% of the time when i do these loads.

(chamfering the edge helps...)

does my alma mater (hmc) get an award for the most RMS loads purchased/assembled/fired in one year? 300-400 F/G/H/I's. 40-something sets of hardware...

[n3tjm]

No, but greasing the o-rings would be part of "complete motor assembly".


For that motor assembly, the only o-ring that I grease is the delay o-ring that goes around the delay grain.

So... for the video to qualify, I need to grease all the o-rings?

Does the delay washer need greased too? That is a no no to grease because it only takes a small amount of grease to ruin the ejection charger?

How about the liner? I never grease liners for ease of removal?

[Garoq]

For that motor assembly, the only o-ring that I grease is the delay o-ring that goes around the delay grain.

So... for the video to qualify, I need to grease all the o-rings?

Does the delay washer need greased too? That is a no no to grease because it only takes a small amount of grease to ruin the ejection charger?

How about the liner? I never grease liners for ease of removal?

Assemble per instructions. You can grease the o-rings simultaneously. Forward delay spacer (rubber washer) does not need grease. If something is mentioned as a suggestion (like greasing the liner), it is not required.

[nh4clo4]

For that motor assembly, the only o-ring that I grease is the delay o-ring that goes around the delay grain.

So... for the video to qualify, I need to grease all the o-rings?

Does the delay washer need greased too? That is a no no to grease because it only takes a small amount of grease to ruin the ejection charger?

How about the liner? I never grease liners for ease of removal?

I would say it has to be done per the manufacturer's instructions, and the instructions tell you to grease all o-rings. I can't remember if it also says to grease the delay washer....

[Garoq]

the biggest problem i have with the 29/180 reloads is getting the spacer into the delay (cardboard) tube. this occupies 80% of the time when i do these loads.

(chamfering the edge helps...)

does my alma mater (hmc) get an award for the most RMS loads purchased/assembled/fired in one year? 300-400 F/G/H/I's. 40-something sets of hardware...
I think chamfering the delay insulator is mentioned in the instructions.

Maybe we need to start a new challenge for most motors fired!

[Graham Orr]

gary,
even better: 200-300 of those were fired on calibrated load cells with 10ksps at 16 bit resolution!

[stickershock23]

Any extra points if this theme music is playing in the background?

http://www.televisiontunes.com/Benny_Hill_Show.html


The song is called "Yackety sax" :D

[ben_ullman]

$500?! I might have to buy a case and reload :p

Ben

[AKPilot]

Why am I thinking "reloading bench"?

[patelldp]

So Gary wants you to set the delay for 10 seconds in order to win this prize. If I were CTI, I would have answered back "$500 CASH to the first person that can build an AT motor using the standard kit (contains 10s delay) with a 14 second delay."

They can also say "The motor can be built in as little as 10 seconds." That would shut everyone up.

Pure and simple, on a time basis, in order to be comparable in build times, you would have to start with an AT motor that has a long delay (which Gary has claimed is in effect "more rare than a medium kit), and then drill the delay. CTI wins.

AT may be feeling the heat from other motor manufacturers. In the past there were a few that sprouted up but never really sustained the pressure. Losing market share fast, there's no other choice but to try to knock down the competition.

EX is the place to be.

[jderimig]

EX is the place to be.

Not THAT takes a long time.:)

[Garoq]

AT may be feeling the heat from other motor manufacturers. In the past there were a few that sprouted up but never really sustained the pressure. Losing market share fast, there's no other choice but to try to knock down the competition.

EX is the place to be.
EX or not, AeroTech understandably lost some market share after the fires in 2001, but we're holding our own quite well now. The challenges are not "knocking down the competition", just an attempt to level the playing field by demonstrating that there's not that much difference in assembly time between the two systems. Of course the 29, 38 & 54mm CTI motors should assemble faster, just like a single-use motor is easier to use than any reload.

[patelldp]

EX or not, AeroTech understandably lost some market share after the fires in 2001, but we're holding our own quite well now. The challenges are not "knocking down the competition", just an attempt to level the playing field by demonstrating that there's not that much difference in assembly time between the two systems. Of course the 29, 38 & 54mm CTI motors should assemble faster, just like a single-use motor is easier to use than any reload.

And yes, I agree to that. If we're talking time (CTI is talking time...), I really don't care at all, the assembly times are all MUCH less than making my EX motors. But from a commercial offering standpoint, I really think that CTI does have the edge in time needed to put together their motor kit.

In all honesty, I have flown 2 CTI motors in my life I believe. Both were the 3-Grain standard I205's. One in a 4" Patriot, and one in my 38mm modified Fat Boy. The one in the Fat Boy blew up something fierce. This was right around the time of the J350 debacle, and we had one of those blow up on my dad's L2 attempt.

What I am trying to say is, each brand has its strengths. Aerotech has diversity of offering (although CTI is catching up...), you get a real feel for all of the parts of the motor and finding reloads isn't too difficult. CTI on the other hand, their strengths are decreased reload time, easier cleanup following the flight, and in my opinion a sexier design.

So all this is about is whether or not you have an extra 5 minutes in your life to throw together an AT load, or you need to go to the bathroom like crazy and all you can do is screw in a CTI load. To each their own, but I leave you with this bit of insight...

"Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it." - Ferris Bueller

So, slow down and learn your stuff, whether it's CTI or AT. Both are good products.

[Garoq]

And yes, I agree to that. If we're talking time (CTI is talking time...), I really don't care at all, the assembly times are all MUCH less than making my EX motors. But from a commercial offering standpoint, I really think that CTI does have the edge in time needed to put together their motor kit.

In all honesty, I have flown 2 CTI motors in my life I believe. Both were the 3-Grain standard I205's. One in a 4" Patriot, and one in my 38mm modified Fat Boy. The one in the Fat Boy blew up something fierce. This was right around the time of the J350 debacle, and we had one of those blow up on my dad's L2 attempt.

What I am trying to say is, each brand has its strengths. Aerotech has diversity of offering (although CTI is catching up...), you get a real feel for all of the parts of the motor and finding reloads isn't too difficult. CTI on the other hand, their strengths are decreased reload time, easier cleanup following the flight, and in my opinion a sexier design.

So all this is about is whether or not you have an extra 5 minutes in your life to throw together an AT load, or you need to go to the bathroom like crazy and all you can do is screw in a CTI load. To each their own, but I leave you with this bit of insight...

"Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it." - Ferris Bueller

So, slow down and learn your stuff, whether it's CTI or AT. Both are good products.

I think CTI makes a good product...I've never called their products "crap" or anything like that. Not necessarily better, but different. Sort of in between a true reloadable and single-use. Someone said that they never had missing parts in a CTI reload...I hope not, just like I hope none of our customers find missing parts in a single-use motor. :rolleyes:

As "he who shall not be named" said on another forum, manufacturers are "married" to their designs. CTI had the benefit of looking back 9 years on the AeroTech system and fashioned their product according to what they believed was an improvement on the design. Likewise, AeroTech has the ability to look back nearly 20 years on its own product and 9 years on the CTI designs and will use that knowledge in future releases.

As far as diversity of product goes, we're certainly not standing still in that department. ;)

[n3tjm]

just like I hope none of our customers find missing parts in a single-use motor. :rolleyes:
;)

I can recall three times where the motor was missing the ejection charge. First time was in the 90's with a E30 in and it totaled my IQSY Tomahawk (which you guys promptly replaced :)). After that I made it a habit of checking motors for ejection charges, and only had to add bp to two. Dont remember what they were cause other then that, the motor operation was normal :P But three times, the number of motors I fired since the 90's, I guess those are good numbers.

[bob jablonski]

I can recall three times where the motor was missing the ejection charge. First time was in the 90's with a E30 in and it totaled my IQSY Tomahawk (which you guys promptly replaced :)). After that I made it a habit of checking motors for ejection charges, and only had to add bp to two. Dont remember what they were cause other then that, the motor operation was normal :P But three times, the number of motors I fired since the 90's, I guess those are good numbers.
Ah the old paper caps. I lost a $100.00 rocket (now value at $250+-) By not checking the paper ejection cap on a Vulcan I motor After that I check every paper cap Vulcan old AT and Elis. The new ejection cap system dosn't leak BP.
Less worrys
Mr. Bob
Starlight dude

[rocketgirlinca]

Seems no one is taking him up seriously on his challenge. so here is my entry.

1:38 :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHeDv4xm4jg

I also e-mailed aerotech with this entry, I'd love to hear back confirming that it was received.

[Garoq]

Seems no one is taking him up seriously on his challenge. so here is my entry.

1:38 :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHeDv4xm4jg

I also e-mailed aerotech with this entry, I'd love to hear back confirming that it was received.

No email received yet. We do have another entry that was submitted via email and not posted to the forum.

[TD Sky]

As far as diversity of product goes, we're certainly not standing still in that department. ;)

Great, now how about getting some reloads to your dealers before August. The measure of a manufacture's success just isn't who made what when, is also who can get product to my door so I can go fly.

[rocketgirlinca]

No email received yet. We do have another entry that was submitted via email and not posted to the forum.


It was sent to you at the address in your first post.

Let me try again.

If not the link is here in my post..

[rocketgirlinca]

well it has been e-mailed again..

Please tell me that you got it.

I also sent the link in a private message.

I am posing it again here. consider this my official entry. for everyone to see..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHeDv4xm4jg

Please note this entry was made on june 30th before close of the day. so it should be a good entry... even if Aerotech says they never got it

[Garoq]

well it has been e-mailed again..

Please tell me that you got it.

I also sent the link in a private message.

I am posing it again here. consider this my official entry. for everyone to see..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHeDv4xm4jg

Please note this entry was made on june 30th before close of the day. so it should be a good entry... even if Aerotech says they never got it

It has been received.

[rocketgirlinca]

It has been received.


Sweet,

thank you. :D

[Garoq]

Great, now how about getting some reloads to your dealers before August. The measure of a manufacture's success just isn't who made what when, is also who can get product to my door so I can go fly.

Lots of dealer orders have been or are being shipped. Who is your dealer? When did he place his order?

[TD Sky]

...Who is your dealer? When did he place his order?

Those details don't really matter. I will spare the public forum from what I learned as I was kindly informed by my AT dealer how frustrated he was about trying to fill AT orders. That is all I will say. I eventually got my all my reloads in about 3 weeks after the dealer gave up waiting for his back-ordered items and simply shuffled inventory with another dealer.

[Pantherjon]

Seems no one is taking him up seriously on his challenge. so here is my entry.

1:38 :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHeDv4xm4jg

I also e-mailed aerotech with this entry, I'd love to hear back confirming that it was received.

Good job on the video! Got lucky in he didn't have to peel a layer off the delay assembly to get it in the liner! I find I have to do that a lot of times..

[bguffer]

Assemble per instructions. You can grease the o-rings simultaneously. Forward delay spacer (rubber washer) does not need grease. If something is mentioned as a suggestion (like greasing the liner), it is not required.

Here is my submission from 2009-06-13:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oCmaYutYVY&feature=channel_page
H238T-M reload
I believe these are the instructions: http://www.aerotech-rocketry.com/customersite/resource_library/Instructions/HP-RMS_Instructions/29mm/29_180t_in_20055.pdf
If you listen carefully, you can hear me mumble which reload i am building, and what i am doing at certain steps.

Bob

[bguffer]

well it has been e-mailed again..

Please tell me that you got it.

I also sent the link in a private message.

I am posing it again here. consider this my official entry. for everyone to see..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHeDv4xm4jg

Please note this entry was made on june 30th before close of the day. so it should be a good entry... even if Aerotech says they never got it

Which reload is this? I am unfamiliar with any 29/180 reloads which do not place a 1" O.D. fiber washer oring in the aft end of the motor. Browsing through the online Aerotech instructions, i could not find a 29/180 motor that is built without a 1" O.D. fiber washer oring placed into the aft end of the motor. Not certain the online instructions cover all 29/180 motors though.

Additionally, the Aerotech instructions usually/always refer to cutting a vent hole in the nozzle cap, and greasing the threads.

Bob

[rocketgirlinca]

I picked up the nozzle and washer at the same time.
Look in the video there are NO PARTS LEFT OVER.


you didnt vent the plastic cap either. what say we add 1 second to each of our times to make up for that.

Gary Are you going to announce the winner before you leave for LDRS or are you going to leave us hanging too?
By other posts It sounds like thats been happening to lots of people

[bguffer]

Or you might have accidentally picked up both fiber washers at the same time (very easy if they are somewhat stuck together) and placed them both in the forward closure. Or you could have accidentally left the second one in between the sheets of the paper/instructions. Or it could have fallen to the floor. I have looked hard at that video, and thought of both nozzle and washer being picked up at the same time. I do not see that happening. I never see the second fiber washer in the video. I do see all other components though.

At 1:53 i cut the vent hole. Probably just a little earlier in the video then you expect.

Gary has made it very clear that "the winner will be announced at LDRS-28 in Potter, NY during the dinner banquet on July 4th".

[rocketgirlinca]

Well the motor fired fine. Ao I would say it was put together right.

I'd also be happy to go up against you head to head any time. I beat your time by about 1 min. not just a few seconds... 60 of them.

The threads on my cases are always greased. I store them that way. When two pieces of aluminum sit together they tend to Gall when you try and take them apart. unless you grease them. so there was grease on the threads.

are you going to complain about the masking tape I used instead of the piece of junk paper disk supplied to cover the ejection charge?
sounds like we have the starts of another Aerotech pi.....ing match.

[shreadvector]

http://www.geocities.com/televisioncity/studio/6546/Wavs/fightm.wav

[rocketgirlinca]

http://www.geocities.com/televisioncity/studio/6546/Wavs/fightm.wav


more like :y:

[Chrisn]

more like :y:

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Warning graphic special effects... rated PG13

But it has to be 10

[rocketgirlinca]

But it has to be 10


10 what? 10 inch?

[Chrisn]

10 what? 10 inch?

10 years old, its a birthday party!

[RangerStl]

What Chris is sarcastically trying to convey is the fact that TRF is actively moderated for content. Vulgarity, explicit images, antagonistic and confrontational behavior, etc., etc., are not permitted per our terms of use.

Review of the guidelines will show where the 10 year-old reference comes from.

N

[bguffer]

I picked up the nozzle and washer at the same time.
Look in the video there are NO PARTS LEFT OVER.


you didnt vent the plastic cap either. what say we add 1 second to each of our times to make up for that.

Gary Are you going to announce the winner before you leave for LDRS or are you going to leave us hanging too?
By other posts It sounds like thats been happening to lots of people

Is the moderater able/willing to share the original, unedited post made at 12:29 eastern time? A fellow rocketeer read this post at around 12:35 and swears that the first two lines of this post were initially to the effect of (paraphrasing): 'There was only one fiber washer in the reload kit. I will email Gary At Aerotech to see if there should have been 2 fiber washers.'

If true, the original unedited post (12:29) would directly conflict with the current version (12:42) of the post.

Thanks,

Bob

[rocketgirlinca]

Is the moderater able/willing to share the original, unedited post made at 12:29 eastern time? A fellow rocketeer read this post at around 12:35 and swears that the first two lines of this post were initially to the effect of (paraphrasing): 'There was only one fiber washer in the reload kit. I will email Gary At Aerotech to see if there should have been 2 fiber washers.'

If true, the original unedited post (12:29) would directly conflict with the current version (12:42) of the post.

Thanks,

Bob

what does it matter, if there was only one fiber disk then the reload was made wrong from Aerotech. should I have waited for a warranty piece to be sent to me and add it to the time to build the reload?

Do you think it would have taken me an extra min. if there had been two fiber washers? I think maybe 1 or 2 seconds more. I still beat your time.. buy 59 seconds

lets make this easy .. you and me. two of the exact same reloads. face to face at the same time. period. if you are up to it, we each put $500.00 of our own money on the table and winner takes all. ARE YOU UP TO IT? thats a challenge by the way

lets face it Aerotech probably wont pay up. from what I have heardhe already owes a bunch of vendors and private parties money, and owes even more people product.
He had to cut back all of his employees from full time to part time because he could not pay them. this is a fact. i also heard he was buying AP from China because it was cheaper. and it was not quite up to snuff, but he used it anyways. It burned at a faster rate than it was supposed to and it caused delay times and burn times on many motors especially redlines to be short. Sounds like the truth to me, I have seen a bunch of them like that myself in the last few months.

I have heard, He is in the process of trying to get a second or a loan on his building. why? I don't know, but I'm sure its because he does not have the money to keep Aerotech running.

Remember this is just my opinion. based on what I have heard. It may all be true it may not... I suggest you ask your local vendor about it. thats were I heard alot of this from. they might have a different story. again they may tell you the same thing.

[bguffer]

what does it matter, if there was only one fiber disk then the reload was made wrong from Aerotech. should I have waited for a warranty piece to be sent to me and add it to the time to build the reload?

Credibility, integrity, honesty. Matters to me. Might matter to other posters here. Might matter to Aerotech too.

[rocketgirlinca]

What are you saying I cheated? Are you saying I am lying?

Does this mean you dont accept my challenge?

I put every piece that came in the reload into the motor. It flew fine. I beat your time fair and square. live with it. or take me up on my offer and prove me wrong.

Integrity is what I was talking about in the rest of my post. we will find out in a few days who is honest, and who has integrity.

[bguffer]

See my post at 6:56 eastern time. Someone suggests you changed your story, from the reload containing 1 to 2 fiber washers. You have yet to deny that allegation. That is what i mean by credibility.

For the record, how many fiber washer seal discs did you place into the motor? Which reload did you build?

[rocketgirlinca]

H165R
I put everything that was in the package in the motor.
The motor has been fired, with no problems or failures.

Now 3rd time. do you accept my challenge? that clear up any questions.

[bguffer]

How many fiber washers did you place into the motor?

[rocketgirlinca]

do you accept my challenge?

[bguffer]

How many fiber washers did you place into the motor?

Bob

[bguffer]

Rocketgirlinca: Are you a guy are a girl?
Someone has suggested you are a guy, which is fine. Your user name may be whatever you like your username to be. At about 1:20, it appears like we see a guys chest. Again any username is fine, but this possibly gives people a false impression of your identity.

I notice that your first post to this forum was to add your entry to the "AeroTech Offers Prize For Fastest RMS Assembly Video
"
.

Much more importantly:
1) Click on the link to the youtube video.
2) Note that the description for the video states:
metalwizard23
June 30, 2009
This is me assembling an Aerotech 29/180 reload in 1:38 seconds for the Aerotech challenge.
3) Click on metalwizard23.
4) Note the following information is displayed:
Name: mark
Age: 44
im a full time rocket scientist, I love heavy metal, fast bikes (i ride a 2006 R1) anything that flys, tattoos and guns, big guns...
City: hurricane utah
Hometown: so cal
Occupation: rocket scientist
Companies: Aerotech consumer aerospace
Website: http://metalwizard.wetpaint.com/
5) Specifically note that Companies lists AEROTECH CONSUMER AEROSPACE.

All of the above supports that a man, Mark, submitted the entry for the Aerotech challenge.

The 25th March 2009, 11:38 PM post at http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?t=1928&highlight=metalwizard leads one to believe you are Mark Hayes, and corroborates that you likely at one time, and possibly currently, work(ed) at Aerotech.
I actually have exchanged emails with a person using the mhayes@aerotech-rocketry.com email account, which corroborates that Mark Hayes did in fact at one time, and possibly currently, work(ed) at Aerotech.

From the first post of this thread, authored by Gary:
"AeroTech employees and dealers are not eligible."


How many fiber washers did you place into the motor?


Bob

P.S. Thanks to those whom have pm'd and emailed me. You know who you are.

[bguffer]

Trying to attach screenshots of the youtube account containing the video.

[Chrisn]

I had the same feeling, didnt think I was the first to notice so didnt bother saying anything. All that effort this rocket girl went through only to forgot to make a new youtube account!

[dlb]

Ten paces turn and build a motor :bangbang:

I think this thread got Highjacked :bangpan:

[shreadvector]

http://www.wavsource.com/snds_2009-06-27_354866371766528/news/get_along1_x.wav

[MarkH]

deleted.

[rocketgirlinca]

does it matter who is who, or what account anyone uses or what gender they are or where the came from or whos account a video is posted on? were they live were they work, who they are sleeping with, what kind of shoes they wear? do they prefer coke or pepsi, how old they are ? bottom line is I beat you.

I posted a video of me assembling a motor. I used everything in the kit. there was nothing left over. the motor flew in my rocket without a hitch.

Accept my entry or dont. either way i was faster. I know how fast I can build a reload. you saw the video.

my challenge still stands. If you think you are better than me, lets do it. put your money on the table. and may the best person win.

Aerotech can decide to pay whomever they want to. no one is going to make that decision but them. I am no longer associated with Aerotech in any way by my choice. I put my reload together fastest. that was the challenge. if you dont like my entry I really don't care. I know I beat you. I know I submitted the fastest time. I won. bguffer If you are faster than me put your money where your mouth is. If you dont believe you are faster then shut up.

good bye.

[shreadvector]

Clearly there is no prohibition against family members of Aerotech employees. What's the big deal?

:confused2:


AeroTech/RCS will provide a $500 AeroTech gift certificate to the individual who produces a video that demonstrates the fastest assembly of an AeroTech, Dr. Rocket or Rouse-Tech RMS-29/180 motor hardware with an AeroTech RMS-29/180 reload of their choice.

The video must show unpacking the reload, complete motor assembly and igniter installation. Videos must be posted to YouTube for public viewing, and links to the videos must be sent to customerservice@aerotech-rocketry.com.

Deadline for entries is June 30, 2009, and the winner will be announced at LDRS-28 in Potter, NY during the dinner banquet on July 4th.

AeroTech employees and dealers are not eligible.

[RangerStl]

For the life of me, Fred, I don't know. :confused2:

[bguffer]

Clearly there is no prohibition against family members of Aerotech employees. What's the big deal?

:confused2:

The relevance was that the motor assembler might be an aerotech employee. His youtube account made it appear he was still an employee of Aerotech. See the previous posted screenshot. He has since updated the youtube account to state 'former aerotech employee'.

Using the username of 'rocketgirlinca' could lead one to believe that the assembly video was submitted as a female user, possibly the spouse of the motor assembler. The guys assembles the motor, and the woman (whom is not an employee) submits the assembly video as their own.

All very conspiracy theory, but a few people wanted me to check it out.

[bguffer]

does it matter who is who, or what account anyone uses or what gender they are or where the came from or whos account a video is posted on? were they live were they work, who they are sleeping with, what kind of shoes they wear? do they prefer coke or pepsi, how old they are ? bottom line is I beat you.

I posted a video of me assembling a motor. I used everything in the kit. there was nothing left over. the motor flew in my rocket without a hitch.

Accept my entry or dont. either way i was faster. I know how fast I can build a reload. you saw the video.

my challenge still stands. If you think you are better than me, lets do it. put your money on the table. and may the best person win.

Aerotech can decide to pay whomever they want to. no one is going to make that decision but them. I am no longer associated with Aerotech in any way by my choice. I put my reload together fastest. that was the challenge. if you dont like my entry I really don't care. I know I beat you. I know I submitted the fastest time. I won. bguffer If you are faster than me put your money where your mouth is. If you dont believe you are faster then shut up.

good bye.

I can no longer find the assembly video on youtube. Are you in the process of posting a higher quality version of your assembly video to youtube? Or have you moved the assembly video? Per Gary's instructions: "Videos must be posted to YouTube for public viewing, and links to the videos must be sent to customerservice@aerotech-rocketry.com."

How many fiber washers did you place into the motor?

Bob

[dlb]

This is clearly out of hand, sounds like my daughters when they were younger.
I don't believe Gary had this in mind. Let Gary choose a clear winner, I'm sure he'll check out all entries, parts, speed and who.

[troj]

I'm sure Gary is currently slogging his way through the mud at LDRS.

Let's just let this go, and let Gary and company make their decision.

-Kevin

[cjl]

Gary's at LDRS, yes (I talked to him a bit today). Not much mud slogging though - this clay dries fast, luckily. We were actually able to get all the way in in our rental sedan today. There are a couple of interesting new motors at his tent (such as an M1800ish New Blue Thunder in 98/3g - it was something like 8200Ns).

[C.O.B.H.C.]

Gary's at LDRS, yes (I talked to him a bit today). Not much mud slogging though - this clay dries fast, luckily. We were actually able to get all the way in in our rental sedan today. There are a couple of interesting new motors at his tent (such as an M1800ish New Blue Thunder in 98/3g - it was something like 8200Ns).

It is an M1845 for the 98/7680.

[cjl]

Yeah - I saw a demo flight on it today. It's kind of interesting actually - the flame almost looked more like an Animal or CTI blue than the standard AT Blue Thunder flame. It was a nice motor though.

[ATIPR]

lets face it Aerotech probably wont pay up. from what I have heardhe already owes a bunch of vendors and private parties money, and owes even more people product.
He had to cut back all of his employees from full time to part time because he could not pay them. this is a fact. i also heard he was buying AP from China because it was cheaper. and it was not quite up to snuff, but he used it anyways. It burned at a faster rate than it was supposed to and it caused delay times and burn times on many motors especially redlines to be short. Sounds like the truth to me, I have seen a bunch of them like that myself in the last few months.

I have heard, He is in the process of trying to get a second or a loan on his building. why? I don't know, but I'm sure its because he does not have the money to keep Aerotech running.

Remember this is just my opinion. based on what I have heard. It may all be true it may not... I suggest you ask your local vendor about it. thats were I heard alot of this from. they might have a different story. again they may tell you the same thing.

Mods: this libelous comment is clearly 'off topic'

Mark Hayes: (as everyone knows this is you)


You are sorely misinformed about the difference between an opinion, and libelous slander. Stating that these things are your 'opinion' does not negate your responsibility for the content of your post.

Slander: legal definition

A type of defamation. Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because slander is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. If the statement is made via broadcast media -- for example, over the radio or on TV -- it is considered libel, rather than slander, because the statement has the potential to reach a very wide audience.

Your business knowledge is remedial (and that is being gracious). Shown especially in your reference, in another forum, to a 'hostile takeover' of AeroTech, which is not a publicly traded company.

AeroTech is a small company that is subject to the ebb and flow of the seasonal demand, for anyone who has worked for this company, this is not an unusual occurrence. AeroTech takes great pride in providing it's employees with an exceptional place to work.

Also, not a secret, is the price increase on AP. Aerotech takes great pride in providing a high quality product . It goes without saying, would never purposely use substandard materials and the suggestion that this happened is no less than libelous slander. Your statement is completely false and has no basis in reality. (re: your statement-"I also heard he was buying AP from China because it was cheaper. and it was not quite up to snuff, but he used it anyways. It burned at a faster rate than it was supposed to and it caused delay times and burn times on many motors especially redlines to be short. Sounds like the truth to me, I have seen a bunch of them like that myself in the last few months.") Also, your discussion of this topic, albeit false, is in violation of your non-disclosure agreement with AeroTech that remains in effect even after your departure from the company.

The financial conjecture that you posed, about a second loan on AeroTech's building, is completely false. Any financial restructuring being done was done on personal property, and being done to take advantage of the fantastic new rates that are out there! Having had nothing to do with AeroTech. I believe you may be projecting (Projection: Projection is one of the defense mechanisms identified by Freud and still acknowledged today. According to Freud, projection is when someone is threatened by or afraid of their own impulses, so they attribute these impulses to someone else).

AeroTech has been in business long before you were an employee (now disgruntled, due to your own personal problems, interfering with your ability to be a sound employee), and your libelous statements will not change Aerotech's bright future.

AeroTech takes full pride in honest business, great quality, reliable product, and great employees!

C.L. Brown
Forum Representative
AeroTech Consumer Aerospace Division
RCS Rocket Motor Components, Inc.

[AKPilot]

I'm in agreement here, there's been enough said and am disappointed by the attacks on individuals. Am locking this one down.

[ATIPR]

I'm in agreement here, there's been enough said and am disappointed by the attacks on individuals. Am locking this one down.

On behalf of AeroTech Consumer Aerospace Division and RCS Rocket Motor Components, Inc. Our sincere Thanks for your response.