Top secret projects...complete

[UPscaler]

Well, it's time to release the news...they're complete...


Here's me standing with our full scale Little Joe II
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm246/bigb1011/img_8541.jpg

and dad with our full scale Mercury Redstone
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm246/bigb1011/img_8543.jpg



Braden:wink:

[[POW]Eagle159]

So, now when is the launch day?....What engine are you gonna use? :D

[MarkII]

Is that your 1x scale F1 engine, too?

BTW, your "Mercury Little Joe II" bears a striking resemblance to an Apollo Little Joe II. It must be a fantasy scale build, because unless Mercury Engineering has released a new kit since the last time I checked, there was no such rocket as a Mercury Little Joe II. :p

[[POW]Eagle159]

Is that your 1x scale F1 engine, too?

YES...12' tall! :y:

[UPscaler]

Eagle159;234593']So, now when is the launch day?....What engine are you gonna use? :D
Not sure about the date, but the Little Joe will fly on a cluster of 7 36" Diameter Y motors, and we aren't sure about the redstone just yet :tongue:


Is that your 1x scale F1 engine, too?

BTW, your "Mercury Little Joe II" bears a striking resemblance to an Apollo Little Joe II. It must be a fantasy scale build, because unless Mercury Engineering has released a new kit since the last time I checked, there was no such rocket as a Mercury Little Joe II. :p
Crap, that just gave away our project that is currently in the works :sad:

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I thought the Little Joe II was built to test the redstone abort system. Sam the space monkey was flown in one.




Braden

[[POW]Eagle159]

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I thought the Little Joe II was built to test the redstone abort system. Sam the space monkey was flown in one.




Braden

I think its for your up coming project...the Saturn V. It looks the exact same.

[GregGleason]

Very nice scale work!

They look so ... so ... er .. real! The fidelity to detail is amazing!

If I didn't know any better, I'd say that this was the "Rocket Park" at JSC.

See you at Hearne (some day), or will this be at KSC? ;)

Greg

[[POW]Eagle159]

Very nice scale work!

They look so ... so ... er .. real! The fidelity to detail is amazing!

If I didn't know any better, I'd say that this was the "Rocket Park" at JSC.

See you at Hearne (some day), or will this be at KSC? ;)

Greg

Well, I see you found that he recreated the ''rocket park'' too!

WHAT A MASTERPIECE! :neener:

[GregGleason]

Info on Little Joe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Joe_%28rocket%29) for Project Mercury.

Info on Little Joe II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Joe_II) for Apollo.

Greg

[eggplant]

That reminds me, any news on the Wedge Oldham project?

[UPscaler]

Info on Little Joe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Joe_%28rocket%29) for Project Mercury.

Info on Little Joe II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Joe_II) for Apollo.

Greg
Good eye, and you're right! We did recreate the entire rocket part at JSC :tongue:


I stand corrected, thanks for pointing that out Mark. you'd think I'd know, seeing as we built the dang thing :wink:

So, Little Joe was for mercury, and Little Joe II was the Little Joe Booster with the Apollo system atop?


That reminds me, any news on the Wedge Oldham project?
didn't happen...not sure if it ever will, but if it does, I'll be there...

seeing the real deal really put in to perspective...


...how psychotic Wedge really is :grin:




Braden

[MarkII]

Mercury Little Joe.
Tested Mercury LES.
Height: 15.20 m (49.8 feet).
Diameter: 2.03 m (6.66 feet).
Mass: 12,700 kg. (27,900 lb. )
Propulsion: combination of 4xRecruit + either 2xPollux, 4xPollux or 4xCastor. Motor configuration varied by test vehicle.
Tests flown from 1959 to 1961.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/images/content/323266main_little_joe_904.jpg

Apollo Little Joe II.
Enlarged version of Mercury LES test vehicle.
Tested Apollo LES.
Height: 26.2 m (85.9 feet.)
Diameter: 3.96 m (12.99 feet.)
Mass: 63,300 kg. (139, 500 lbs.)
Propulsion: Either 6xAlgol 1D or a combination of multiple Recruits plus at least one Algol 1D motor. Motor configuration varied by test vehicle.
Tests flown from 1963 to 1966.

http://web.mac.com/jimgerard/AFGAS/images/booster/jsc/littlej2/lj2best.jpg

[[POW]Eagle159]

Mercury Little Joe.
Tested Mercury LES.
Height: 15.20 m (49.8 feet).
Diameter: 2.03 m (6.66 feet).
Mass: 12,700 kg. (27,900 lb. )
Propulsion: combination of 4xRecruit + either 2xPollux, 4xPollux or 4xCastor. Motor configuration varied by test vehicle.
Tests flown from 1959 to 1961.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/images/content/323266main_little_joe_904.jpg

Apollo Little Joe II.
Enlarged version of Mercury LES test vehicle.
Tested Apollo LES.
Height: 26.2 m (85.9 feet.)
Diameter: 3.96 m (12.99 feet.)
Mass: 63,300 kg. (139, 500 lbs.)
Propulsion: Either 6xAlgol 1D or a combination of multiple Recruits plus at least one Algol 1D motor. Motor configuration varied by test vehicle.
Tests flown from 1963 to 1966.

http://web.mac.com/jimgerard/AFGAS/images/booster/jsc/littlej2/lj2best.jpg

Are those YOUR full scale rockets...Hey UPscaler I think you might have some competition! :y: :D

[MarkII]

Eagle159;234645']Are those YOUR full scale rockets...Hey UPscaler I think you might have some competition! :y: :DNo, but here's my card model Mercury Little Joe (minus LES).

[Rocketman248]

No, but here's my card model Mercury Little Joe (minus LES).

No escape tower?! :y::D;)

[MarkII]

No escape tower?! :y::D;)Not in that photo, no.

[georgegassaway]

So, Little Joe was for mercury, and Little Joe II was the Little Joe Booster with the Apollo system atop?
Totally different vehicle. Although, one early idea was to indeed do just that, put an Apollo CM/LES on top of the original Joe booster . Made for a very funky design, which would have been very under-powered for the full flight regime they wanted to test.

The main thing that the Little Joe-II shared with the original was the basic concept for clustered solid motors in a relatively simple rocket. Although the second series (12-51 series used for the last 3 flights) did have guidance, controlled by aerodynamic elevons and some limited thrusters.

A huge compilation of Apollo Little Joe-II material is here:

http://homepage.mac.com/georgegassaway/GRP/Scale/DATA/LJoeMain.htm

pics:

#1 - An original Little Joe, 1959

#2 - The funky concept for putting an Apollo CM/LES on top of the original Little Joe-I body

#3 - Little Joe-II, mission A-001 (2nd flight)

#4 - A group of rocketeers in at a JSC NARAM in 1979. I am at the far right end.

#5 - My 1/39.5 Super-Scale model of A-004 with pad, at NARAM-34 near Las Vegas in 1992. It may not be as big as the "full size model" that Upscaler posted, but at least mine was generally more accurate.... :) Really, there's some significant things not right with the Joe at JSC, but at least it does have a tower so it's not a joke.

- George Gassaway

[GregGleason]

No escape tower?! :y::D;)

:lol:

Now that's funny Nick!

[MarkII]

If you look closely at the LES on your Mercury Redstone and compare it to the LES on Little Joe that you are standing under in the photo, you will see that they are not at all the same.

The three-man Apollo capsule was significantly larger, wider and heavier than the one-man Mercury capsule (which was shockingly, claustrophobically tiny). I remember reading somewhere that the interior space inside the Apollo was comparable to a small bedroom, while the interior space inside a Mercury capsule was comparable to a half-height coat closet. In order to simulate a launch abort at max Q the Apollo CM required a much larger and more powerful test vehicle than was needed for the Mercury. The diameter of the Mercury Little Joe was 6.66 feet, while that of the LJ II was just under 13 feet or almost twice the size. The mass of the MLJ was just shy of 14 tons. The LJ II's mass was 69.75 tons, 5 times heavier than its predecessor. It was also 36 feet taller.

Mercury Little Joe launches were made on the Atlantic shore in Maryland at Wallops Island. Little Joe II launches were all done out in the desert at White Sands in New Mexico.

[Montaro]

Well, it's time to release the news...they're complete...


Here's me standing with our full scale Little Joe II


and dad with our full scale Mercury Redstone




Braden:wink:

Did you use cardstock or plywood ? in the case was cardstock which size ? letter or legal ? :P

[stickershock23]

great pics Braden. I want one of those redstones for my front yard.

[UPscaler]

great pics Braden. I want one of those redstones for my front yard.

I've heard wedge only flies his rockets once :wink:


alternatively:
http://www.spacetoys.com/proddetail.php?prod=RFS19


Look at that! If you have to ask, you can't afford it! :y:


Braden

[MarkII]

:lol:

Now that's funny Nick!Ever lose a part from a model (especially after multiple moves)? It happens.

[McKailas Dad]

Take a deep breath before clicking... (http://www.spacetoys.com/proddetail.php?prod=spaceshuttleorbiter)

Can you imagine what the neighbors, er neighborhood, would think?

You suppose they would take a check? :y:

At least it's free shipping on orders over $100.........:no:

[dlazarus6660]

Take a deep breath before clicking... (http://www.spacetoys.com/proddetail.php?prod=spaceshuttleorbiter)

Can you imagine what the neighbors, er neighborhood, would think?

You suppose they would take a check? :y:

At least it's free shipping on orders over $100.........:no:

No free shipping. Shipping and setup is the responsiblity of the buyer!

[MarkII]

Take a deep breath before clicking... (http://www.spacetoys.com/proddetail.php?prod=spaceshuttleorbiter)

Can you imagine what the neighbors, er neighborhood, would think?

You suppose they would take a check? :y:

At least it's free shipping on orders over $100.........:no:Would I need a waiver to fly that?

[DAllen]

Would I need a waiver to fly that?

Um...how would you get it off the ground?

$3.5 million? That's gotta be a joke - can't be real.

-Dave

[UPscaler]

Um...how would you get it off the ground?

$3.5 million? That's gotta be a joke - can't be real.

-Dave

It's real...that company makes full sized replicas of, not only the orbiter, but the redstone too, and very detailed space suits based on apollo missions. It's really cool, and if we won the lottery, the first thing we'd buy would be...



...everything. The full scale orbiter would go nicely with our full scale Little Joe II and Redstone :wink:


Braden

[DaveC]

Quite a reasonable price if the detail is good.

Now getting my wife to agree to call it a reasonable price is a whole other matter.

[[POW]Eagle159]

Would I need a waiver to fly that?

Might have to launch it at BALLS! :p


With a NASA control room too.

[mjennings]

I'd like one of these for my commute to Moon Base Alpha

http://www.space.com/13140-spacex-private-reusable-rocket-elon-musk.html

nice pics did you have fun at JSC?

[Swampworks]

No, but here's my card model Mercury Little Joe (minus LES).

You gotta link to the plans for that one? Please?

[UPscaler]

I'd like one of these for my commute to Moon Base Alpha

http://www.space.com/13140-spacex-private-reusable-rocket-elon-musk.html

nice pics did you have fun at JSC?

Most certainly, we are planning on taking the full tour sometime soon...




Braden

[mjennings]

Hope to get there someday, I've been fortunate enough to see KSC and MSFC so far.

[caveduck]

LOL at Ric Gaff's pic (posted by George) from NARAM-21 "do not climb on display"...I'm actually kinda surprised that I'm not in that photo since I was there and sort of remember the scene. That's Bunny (Mark Bundick) pointing at the sign. Of course he later became president of the NAR. :D

[MarkII]

You gotta link to the plans for that one? Please?http://www.cardinspace.com/content/view/9/7/lang,en/

[GregGleason]

An LJ II test with interesting results:

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Greg

[UPscaler]

An LJ II test with interesting results:

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Greg

Greg,
I saw that video! Pretty crazy, I guess the best way to test for unexpected errors is with an unexpected error.


Are you going to be at the Ballunar festival? Fingers crossed there will be some flight, we've got some G motors in the box! :grin:



Braden

[GregGleason]

The Ballunar Liftoff is fun, but we won't be able to make it this year.

Greg

[UPscaler]

The Ballunar Liftoff is fun, but we won't be able to make it this year.

Greg

Dang,
See you at Hearne, at some point...




Braden

[UPscaler]

One more project completed!

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Braden:grin: