SCALE - Black Brant II Gallery

[JAL3]

Welcome to the SCALE - Black Brant 2 Gallery on TRF.

This gallery showcases the Black Brant 2 and those rockets derived from it. Particularly appropriate in this thread are the following:


Cosmodrome: Black Brant II:
Estes: Black Brant II: #1958
Madcow Rocketry: Black Brant II (2.6"): K-153



as well as any upscales, downscales, clones, kitbashes or other derivative works. Even Goonies qualify!


The Black Brant is a Canadian-designed sounding rocket built by Bristol Aerospace in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Over 800 Black Brants of various versions have been launched since they were first produced in 1961, and the type remains one of the most popular sounding rockets ever built. They have been repeatedly used by the Canadian Space Agency and NASA.

[JAL3]

Estes Black Brant II (#1958) Basic Information.

http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/logos/estes.gif Estes Industries

Black Brant II

#1958

Introduced: 1986
Final Year: 1998
Re-introduced: 2001
Withdrawn: 2003
Designer:

Type: Scale
Motor Mount: 1x18mm
Recovery: Parachute
Stages: 1
Length: 24.875"
Diameter: 1.325"
Span:
Weight: 2.29 oz

Mfg. Description: An outgrowth of the 1950's Black Brant I program, Black Brant II's payload capacity was increased to 6.2 cu. ft. by changing the nose cone's shape. The Canadair air frame was aerodynamically stabilized by 3 fixed fins. Total fin span was 39". The motor contained 2,000 lbs of solid propellant and delivered 16,000 lbs of thrust over a 25 second burn time. Total vehicle weight with propellant was 2,642 lbs.

The first two Black Brant II's were launched in October 1960 at Fort Churchill, Canada. The next two were launched from Wallops Island, VA during November 1961.

Used by the Canadian Armament Research and Development Establishment for upper atmosphere research studies, Black Brant II's were fired mostly in Canada's Northlands, carrying up to 150 lbs of payload to altitudes of 100 statute miles.

Beautiful model of Canadian sounding rocket features a 1 to 13 scale ration. Complete with detailed plastic parts, three color decal, huge 18" recovery parachute, and die cut balsa fins, this powerful D-engine model can fly well over 1200 feet. (Estes 1986 Catalog)

http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/liveries/estes-black%20brant%20ii-1986%20cat%20livery.jpg Estes 1986 Catalog http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/liveries/estes-black%20brant%20ii-1988%20cat%20livery.jpg Estes 1988 Catalog http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/liveries/estes-black%20brant%20ii-1993%20cat%20livery.jpg Estes 1993 Catalog

http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/liveries/estes-black%20brant%20ii-1995%20cat%20livery.jpg Estes 1995 Catalog http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/liveries/estes-black%20brant%20ii-1998%20cat%20livery.jpg Estes 1998 Catalog http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/liveries/estes-black%20brant%20ii-2002%20cat%20livery.jpg Estes 2002 Catalog

http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/liveries/estes-black%20brant%20ii-2003%20cat%20livery.jpg Estes 2003 Catalog

http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/liveries/estes-black%20brant%20ii-facecard.jpg Facecard

First post in this thread featuring this rocket. (http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?p=167743#post167743)

See Also: LINKS
EMRR (http://archive.rocketreviews.com/reviews/all/oop_est_black_brant.shtml)
RocketReviews (http://www.rocketreviews.com/black-brant-ii---estes-1958-1986-1998.html)
Mfg. Page


If you have any additional information on this rocket and/or catalog photos please let us know.

[JAL3]

Cosmodrome Black Brant II Basic Information.

http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/logos/cosmodrome.gif Cosmodrome Rocketry

Black Brant II

NUMBER

Introduced:
Final Year:
Designer: Mike Kruger

Type: Scale
Motor Mount: 1x29mm
Recovery: Parachute
Stages: 1
Length: 50.8"
Diameter: 2.63"
Span:
Weight: 19oz

Mfg. Description: Balsa nose cone and boat tail
Three color self-adhesive decals
24" rip-stop nylon parachutte
F through H power
Through-the-wall fins
Motor retension (Cosmodrome 2011 Web Ad)

http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/liveries/cosmodrome-black%20brant%20ii-2009%20web%20livery.jpg Cosmodrome 2009 Web Ad http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/liveries/cosmodrome-black%20brant%20ii-2011%20web%20livery.jpg Cosmodrome 2011 Web Ad

http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/liveries/cosmodrome-black%20brant%20ii-facecard.jpg

http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/liveries/cosmodrome-black%20brant%20ii-instr.jpg

First post in this thread featuring this rocket. (http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?p=167743#post167743)

See Also: LINKS
EMRR (http://archive.rocketreviews.com/reviews/all/cos_black_brant.shtml)
RocketReviews (http://www.rocketreviews.com/black-brant-ii---cosmodrome-rocketry.html)
Mfg. Page (http://www.cosmodromerocketry.com/BlackBrantII.html)


If you have any additional information on this rocket and/or catalog photos please let us know.

[JAL3]

Madcow Black Brant II (2.6") (K-153) Basic Information.

http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/logos/madcowrocketry.gif Madcow Rocketry

Black Brant II (2.6")

K-153

Introduced:
Final Year:
Designer:

Type: Scale
Motor Mount: 1x38mm
Recovery: Parachute
Stages: 1
Length: 52.75"
Diameter: 2.6"
Span:
Weight: 33oz

Mfg. Description: Features:
ALL FIBERGLASS KIT
High Power Rocket
Pre-Slotted Fiberglass Airframe
Fiberglass Nose Cone
Fiberglass Tail Cone
G10 Fins and Centering Rings
Cut Vinyl Decal
Dual Deploy
Rail Buttons (Madcow 2012 Web Ad)

http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/galleries/liveries/madcow-black%20brant%20ii%20(2.6)-2011%20web%20livery.jpg Madcow 2011 Web Ad

First post in this thread featuring this rocket. (http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?p=168104#post168104)

See Also: LINKS
EMRR
RocketReviews (http://www.rocketreviews.com/black-brant---madcow-rocketry.html)
Mfg. Page (http://www.madcowrocketry.com/servlet/the-250/Black-Brant-II-Rocket/Detail)


If you have any additional information on this rocket and/or catalog photos please let us know.

[sodmeister]

I am so totally surprised nobody has entered a BB II !! I mean really.....

I`ll start the ball of wax melting....

Estes old kit, built 10 years ago ,and lost. I have 2 more of these in the bag ,waiting to be built.

Have the Cosmodrome BBII

Just bought the MadCow 4" DD kit.

C`mon man....lets see some REAL rockets!

Paul)T

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[JAL3]

Uh...without pictures, its not a gallery. Its just an assortment of text!

[bradycros]

C`mon man....lets see some REAL rockets!

Paul)T

The voices in my head may not be real ,but they have some good ideas.




Seems the voices droped the ball on this one. ;)

[sodmeister]

Oh my goodness ,how awkward was that :o

Todd ,those voices have bad memories and A D D ;)

Paul T

[MarkH]

Here's my Madcow 2.6 inch version. I was planning to add DD capability, mounting the altimeter bay in the nose, and launch on 38 mm I and J motors. I'm not sure what to do with this kit though because of the big goofy fins that are only 1/16 inch thick. Anything over a mild [I] and I don't think these fins will hold up. The fiberglass BT, nose cone and tailcone are otherwise solid. Granted Madcow only list G and H motors for it, but to quote the Apogee site (http://www.apogeerockets.com/Madcow_2.6in_Black_Brant_FG.asp) engine listings for this kit, on a CTI J530-15 Imax it "Smashes through the sound barrier at 1081 miles per hour". If built stock, that's a pretty outrageous claim.

I may cut new scale fins from 3/32", or 1/8" fiberglass, or just forget the big BB scale fins and cut more mach friendly fins and make something else out of it.

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[berlinetta]

What did you use for motor retention? The Black Brant is my favorite Sounding Rocket. Too bad I destroyed mine in September or it would be in this gallery as well.

[MarkH]

What did you use for motor retention? The Black Brant is my favorite Sounding Rocket. Too bad I destroyed mine in September or it would be in this gallery as well.

In the pic above I just dry fit everything together. I have not proceeded with the build yet. I might fashion some kaplow clips. It looks like there is room.

[Micromeister]

It's a fun flying D12 model.

[Brent]

Here is one I am working on from time to time. I have the tubes cut but I am waiting until it warms up outside to glass them. It is a mixture of parts, nosecone from Performance Rocketry and tail cone from Scotglas, 4" diameter with a 54mm motor mount.

[sodmeister]

Here is one I am working on from time to time. I have the tubes cut but I am waiting until it warms up outside to glass them. It is a mixture of parts, nosecone from Performance Rocketry and tail cone from Scotglas, 4" diameter with a 54mm motor mount.

Nice one man ! That`s going to be sweet when finished ,but as always ,those cold days ruin everything !

I have the MadCow 4" fiberglass kit waiting to be built ,but like you too cold,so I`ll wait until spring.

paul T

[Brent]

Nice one man ! That`s going to be sweet when finished ,but as always ,those cold days ruin everything !

I have the MadCow 4" fiberglass kit waiting to be built ,but like you too cold,so I`ll wait until spring.

paul T

My wife would kill me if I glassed in the house. She said it would be all right if I put a plastic drop cloth down in my computer / hobby room but I had better not get any on the floor. I took that as do it out side.

[MarkII]

I have the parts ready for a small MPR version that I'll get going on as soon as I wrap up a few other projects. In my scale projects I spend far more time working out strategies for making various items to scale than I do actually building the rocket. I've been building a Sandhawk for 3 years!

[Bunsen Honeydew]

Here is mine.

I used the nose from a Estes Sky Writer, I stripped the paint off then filled the seams with CA.

The boat tail is plastic from a for sale sign from the home improvement store.

Fins are balsa tapered with the air foil. These were sealed then glued in place.

The antennas are from sales tags that were glued in place then cut to length. They are painted with RC model paint to bite into the plastic so the paint won't flake off.

The decals were created in Word then printed on a ink jet.

I haven't flow it yet, but I figure it would be good for scale altitude contests.

[Massrokit]

Do you have drawing for your paint pattern?




Here is mine.

I used the nose from a Estes Sky Writer, I stripped the paint off then filled the seams with CA.

The boat tail is plastic from a for sale sigh from the home improvement store.

Fins are balsa tapered with the air foil. These were sealed then glued in place.

The antennas are from sales tags that were glued in place then cut to length. They are painted with RC model paint to bite into the plastic so the paint won't flake off.

The decals were created in Word then printed on a ink jet.

I haven't flow it yet, but I figure it would be good for scale altitude contests.

[Bunsen Honeydew]

I used Peter Always Rockets of World and the following photo. After I was done painting I looked at the photo and realized where the CARDE logo was on the photo for the checkered Black Brant, DUH!

I liked the looks of it so I have kept it. If I want to go for NAR scale I will build a new one.

The decal file is not in Word but is a JPEG.

Man I'm making mistakes.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/48113599@N04/4974845027/in/photostream/

[jim fustini]

Here is my Cosmodrome Black Brant II I built a few years ago.40938

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[kelltym88]

I have 2: the Estes version, and the Cosmodrome.

Here are some pics of my Cosmodrome BB II. I made it with a 38mm MMT, to give me more motor options.... launch pics from LDRS 29...

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[jim fustini]

40944
Here is my Cosmodrome Black Brant II I built a few years ago.40938

[sodmeister]

40944

If I didn`t know better ,I`d say I was looking at my kit on your stand ! I did the checkerboard pattern also on my Cosmodrome kit.

I`ll have to takes pics and post .

Nice BB`s fellas :clap:


Paul

[bobby_hamill]

Nice model

If I may ... you made one mistake the black decal on the white back ground is on upside down

Bobby



Here is mine.

I used the nose from a Estes Sky Writer, I stripped the paint off then filled the seams with CA.

The boat tail is plastic from a for sale sign from the home improvement store.

Fins are balsa tapered with the air foil. These were sealed then glued in place.

The antennas are from sales tags that were glued in place then cut to length. They are painted with RC model paint to bite into the plastic so the paint won't flake off.

The decals were created in Word then printed on a ink jet.

I haven't flow it yet, but I figure it would be good for scale altitude contests.

[Bunsen Honeydew]

There are many things wrong with this rocket

[jim fustini]

There are many things wrong with this rocket
It is still cool!:clap:

[bobby_hamill]

Here is my scratch built Black Brant 2b. On the altimeters I put the electronics on one side and the 3 batterys on the back side that way if the payload came in ballistic the batterys would not strip the components off of the circuit board .

I used 2 missile works extremes and a Magnetic apogee detector ( MAD ) for the electronics. The mad was for back up in case both of the altimeters didn't work. The detailing and paint was my first try so it needs some improvements.:D

Bobby Hamill

[bobby_hamill]

a few more pics

[bobby_hamill]

and the last bunch sorry if this is to many photos

Bobby

[bobby_hamill]

and the first flight

[bobby_hamill]

flown 2 time so far I435T and a K1275R the K motor got her up to 5480 feet. All scratch built except nosecone and glassed airframe. Decal by papa tango . 2 missile works extreams and a M.A.D backup . I put the batterys on backside to prevent stripping components from circuit board in case of a ballistic impact. the roll pattern on airframe and fins are all painted on ( not decals ). the small circuit board at the bottom is a custom job by Dave Morey to turn on the electronics. screw in the screw turns on the switch.

Bobby H

[bobby_hamill]

more pics

[bobby_hamill]

more pics

[bobby_hamill]

still more pics

[bobby_hamill]

still more

[bobby_hamill]

the last of them

if this is to many pics feel free to remove them .

[Agent Titan]

I think it's just fine!

[sodmeister]

That`s a gorgeous looking rocket Bobby ,one of my favorites ! I`ve always liked the checkerboard patterns on the fins.

Paul T

[Micromeister]

Just another Black Brant-II Estes model.

[bobby_hamill]

Bunsen

I have this photo as I am the one that supplied the photo to ROW I also have one of it elevated and at liftoff.

Bobby Hamill




I used Peter Always Rockets of World and the following photo. After I was done painting I looked at the photo and realized where the CARDE logo was on the photo for the checkered Black Brant, DUH!

I liked the looks of it so I have kept it. If I want to go for NAR scale I will build a new one.

The decal file is not in Word but is a JPEG.

Man I'm making mistakes.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/48113599@N04/4974845027/in/photostream/

[mkadams001]

Here is one of mine 2.6" ...http://www.cosrocs.org/all%20other%20videos/2009videos/7-11/mikes_brant.mov

[Der Red Max]

Hey, why are there 2 Black Brant II Galleries? - There aren't 4 Black Brant IV Galleries.:D

SCALE - Black Brant II Gallery (http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?t=21408)

Scale -Black Brant II (http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?p=194152)

Shouldn't someone consolidate these?

[JAL3]

Hey, why are there 2 Black Brant II Galleries? - There aren't 4 Black Brant IV Galleries.:D

SCALE - Black Brant II Gallery (http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?t=21408)

Scale -Black Brant II (http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?p=194152)

Shouldn't someone consolidate these?

Thanks for pointing it out to me. They're merged now.

[berlinetta]

I am going to be getting the Cosmodrome Black Brant II soon. I am looking to do the paint the hard way, with blue taping the white areas for the black stripes. I also have 2 Estes versions. In the Spring, I am looking to fly my 3 larger ones. Along with the Cosmodrome Black Brant II, I will also be flying the Cosmodrome Black Brant 5C and the PML Black Brant 5B. Since they are scale models, they will be flown on white lightning motors. I will post a picture of the three of them together once the Black Brant II is done.