I've seen eyebolts and u-bolts used as attachment points for recovery harnesses on high power rockets. Is one better than the other? Are there times one would be preferred over the other?
Another alternative is eye nuts, which allow you to connect the shock cord to each end and transfer the load without relying on the strength of the bulkhead. Some form of unscrewing prevention is required, however.
For eyebolts, there are forged eyebolts and "standard" (bent wire) eyebolts. The latter are a source of problems, unless welded closed -- I've seen amazingly light rockets bend amazingly heavy eyebolts, and come in without a recovery system because of it.
A forged eyebolt is always a superior choice to a regular eyebolt.
That said, I prefer U-bolts, as they spread the load over more area. Regardless, both work, and either one should be backed up with fender washers.
-Kevin
I've seen eyebolts and u-bolts used as attachment points for recovery harnesses on high power rockets. Is one better than the other? Are there times one would be preferred over the other?
I would think the plywood bulkhead would fail before a steel eyebolt would straighten. The only experience I have with eyebolts are 3/16" eyebolts in my Mercury Hijacker and Integrator, and two scratch built rockets. Never had a problem with any of them.
I think size selection is as important as type selection. An oversized wire eye bolt may do just as well or better then an undersized forged eye bolt.
Where do you get that 2000 lb number? A quick check of McMaster's site lists a forged 1/4-20 eyebolt at 500# working load limit. The bent eyebolts aren't even given a pound rating. They just state do not use this product for lifting.
Deployment events stress connection points a great deal. I have seen bent eyebolts fail quite a few times. I have also seen u-bolts ripped through bulkheads as well as bulkheads ripped out of couplers. The last example happened just this weekend on a fellow flier's L3 cert attempt. When the main inflated and the rest of the rocket pendulumed below it, it hit the end of the harness and the zipperless bulkhead gave out.
I would always recommend using a u-bolt or forged eyebolt over a bent eyebolt any day.
How much did the level 3 rocket weigh?
My 10" Polecat Thumper weighed in @ 70lbs for my L3
There would be considerably less stresses involved with a 2 or 3 pound rocket, versus a 70 pound rocket.
Agreed, but a 2 or 3 pound rocket can still bend one of the small, bent-wire eyebolts often used in small rockets.
I was exaggerating. For large Level 2 and 3 rockets, I can see your point. For smaller stuff, do you really need recovery attachment points that look like tractor hitches? Tailoring your delays and timing your events for optimal or near-optimal deployment also has to be part of the picture, too. It's not practical or even good engineering to build up the recovery harness and attachment points to survive the worst-possible scenario. The concept of a recovery system encompasses much more than just the parachute, harness and attachment points. It also involves making informed choices about motors as well as choosing appropriate delays or event timing, packing techniques, and much more, including stable and sound aerodynamic design. In fact, the entire rocket is a system, and the goal should be to design it and fly it in such a way as to minimize anomalies so that the system does not need to absorb extreme stresses.
MK
Deployment events stress connection points a great deal. I have seen bent eyebolts fail quite a few times. I have also seen u-bolts ripped through bulkheads as well as bulkheads ripped out of couplers. The last example happened just this weekend on a fellow flier's L3 cert attempt. When the main inflated and the rest of the rocket pendulumed below it, it hit the end of the harness and the zipperless bulkhead gave out.
Yes, but you can bend the rod easily because it is long and you gain a good deal of leverage by placing your hands some distance apart when you grip it. But try shortening the rod to 4", then grabbing it an inch from one end, and trying to bend the tip down with your other hand. Look, I have no problem with using eye nuts or forged or welded eye bolts for the attachment points. But consider the big picture; design a recovery system for your rocket that will be able to function like you want it to, and then build the system to provide that functionality using appropriate hardware and construction techniques. qquake2k, it looks like you have done that; I very much doubt that I would do anything different. I don't think that going overboard gains anyone anything. Then focus on flying it in such a way that it will have nominal performance (in this context, that's a good thing) and a good recovery. The last thing that you want is an "exciting" flight.Take a 1/4" diameter steel launch rod and bend it by hand. It's pretty easy. Then try to break it. It's impossible by hand.
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