NERRF6 -- June 25, 26, 27 -- Pine Island, NY

[dgreenapple]

The NERRF 6 date and location have been set: June 25 - 27, 2010
Once again at METRA's field in Pine Island, NY.

The flier's fee is only $10 if you pre-register at NERRF.ORG (opens Friday May 7) and $15 on the field. Same fee whether you fly one day or all three!

http://nerrf.org/

This year, you have to be a METRA club member to fly, so please go to METRA's website at METRAROCKETCLUB.ORG and join.

http://www.metrarocketclub.org/

Looking forward to seeing you there!

[gkieley]

I'll be there bright and early!!!!

[redsox15]

The bros and I will be there as well!!

Just curious why the addition of becoming a METRA member this year?


Cant wait!

Matt

[H_Rocket]

Lawyers

[redsox15]

Makes sense

Thanks

Matt

[GlennW]

And be aware that to join METRA you must already be a NAR or TRA member. So if you are none of the above, figure $62 to join NAR, $30 to join METRA, plus the $10 flyer fee for NERRF= $102.

Glenn

[redsox15]

jeez louise...and i am assuming there is going to be an extra fee for the BBQ (assuming there is one this year) as well?

[Mike Di Venti]

And be aware that to join METRA you must already be a NAR or TRA member. So if you are none of the above, figure $62 to join NAR, $30 to join METRA, plus the $10 flyer fee for NERRF= $102.

Glenn

To begin with, the flyer would have to be NAR or TRA ANYWAY to fly. So the $62 is moot. So it's only $40 to fly at NERRF. About $10 more than last year.
Plus you get a years membership to the best field in the N.E. to launch rockets!

IUDLIGFSE!

[redsox15]

that is very true good point so it doesnt seem so bad after all.

either way im there!


Matt

[Hangar 11]

To join METRA you need sign a waiver and pay 30.00.

To fly HPR at METRA you need to be NAR or TRA certified. [ same as every other NAR or TRA club I can think of ]

Visit www.metrarocketclub.org (http://www.metrarocketclub.org) to join via paypal, this your ready to fly when you get to NERRF 6.



And be aware that to join METRA you must already be a NAR or TRA member. So if you are none of the above, figure $62 to join NAR, $30 to join METRA, plus the $10 flyer fee for NERRF= $102.

Glenn

[Hangar 11]

BBQ is of the radar as it turned out to be a HUGE expense for NERRF 5,

We are considering asking the food vendors to "stay open late and serve, Same effect as the BBQ w/o the risk to NERRF cash.

We will update here and the website once a decision has been made.

NERRF6 pre orders are being accepted NOW. SAVE BIG on Aerotech HPR if you order by May 15th.

[GaryT]

To begin with, the flyer would have to be NAR or TRA ANYWAY to fly. So the $62 is moot. So it's only $40 to fly at NERRF. About $10 more than last year.
Plus you get a years membership to the best field in the N.E. to launch rockets!

IUDLIGFSE!

Exactly! Membership to the best field in the N.E. and Entry to N.E. premier 3 day launches N6? A pretty good deal in my book. If you want to fly at Red Glare? you have to be an MDRA member as well.

[H_Rocket]

As for me I plan to be there. With any luck (and a whole lotta getting off my lazy backside) I will fly my L3 project Friday AM. Then I am gonna fly 1/4A the rest of the weekend.

Since the BBQ was deemed economically unfeasible, the gang of idjits from CATO are planning our own thing on the field. If Lloyd (mondo good hot dogs) decides to stay on into the evening, that will be where we get our food. Otherwise, we will come up with something else as the only thing better than a day of flying is to get together with your buddies and tell lies about the days flights afterward...If you are interested, ping me via PM and we can go from there.

Actually my other plans are a return of the 5.5" Skeeter, the PR Nike Apache, my Pink Velociraptor on a J Hybrid (if Kevin O'Classen makes it). A demo flight of the I170 Mojave Green for the 54-427. The inevitable 54mm Stealth Drag Race, I might even try my Woket once again. And of course (just to annoy Gary) Project Frankenrush (on a really nasty bright Yellow EX load).

Still planning though so all of that is subject to the whims of fancy.

[redsox15]

a question for any metra members out there:

I have been on the sight looking at the membership registration, just wondering what the difference is between adult, junior and additional family members.

Thanks in advanced

Matt

[Hangar 11]

NERRF allows fliers under 18 to fly LPR FREE as long as they are with a NERRF registered & METRA member adult flier. The NERRF website will be up shortly with all of the registration details...

From the METRA Website


Memberships
Senior Member (18 & over) = $30.00/year
Junior Member (non-voting & under 18) = $10.00/year
Additional Family Members = $5.00/year each
Membership runs calendar year January 1 thru December 31.
See our download (http://www.metrarocketclub.org/information/download/) page for membership applications.




a question for any metra members out there:

I have been on the sight looking at the membership registration, just wondering what the difference is between adult, junior and additional family members.

Thanks in advanced

Matt

[kandsrockets]

Is there going to be a vendor registration? We plan to be there as a vendor and flier.

[gkieley]

Thanks Bobby!!

[josepher44]

New site looks great!

Just one question. How would I go about signing up for multiple volunteer shifts? It seemed to only let me select one on the pre-registration page. Also, will a volunteer roster be posted as in previous years?

[dgreenapple]

From above: "Is there going to be a vendor registration? We plan to be there as a vendor and flier. K and S Rockets Scott Kissinger"


Scott Kissenger -- please contact me about vendors at "dgreenapple@yahoo.com". I'll get you set up.

All other vendors who are interested, if I haven't contacted you already, please contact me at the email above.

THANKS

David Greenapple
dgreenapple@yahoo.com

[hgreenblatt]

New site looks great!

Just one question. How would I go about signing up for multiple volunteer shifts? It seemed to only let me select one on the pre-registration page. Also, will a volunteer roster be posted as in previous years?
Thanks, that's a good point. I was just trying to make it simple. Currently you can only select one job, but for multiple times. I will modify the form to allow you to select multiple jobs at multiple time. I'll also put up the roster so people can see what's available.

[Peter Cadra]

Website looks great !!!

I will be launching my Hangar 11 7.5" SA-14 Archer with an Aerotech M1850W.

Hey Bobby, can you get me one of those crazy "pyramid" rocket kits?

Peter

[n3tjm]

My question is why call the event Nerrf at all? I can see requiring flyers to be members at their normal launches, but when advertising a big launch trying to attract flyers from around the country, it does not make sense. Many are not willing to pay a club membership to fly at a club that I will not fly with again during the year. The fee for the registration should be enough to cover all legal issues...

[GaryT]

METRA Field Metra Rules, From the onset of NERRF its was supposed to move around from field to field and never once has in 6 years, For N5 other clubs where asked to host N5 with no takers. The inception of NERRF is and was a great idea but in reality has only ever been just another launch, Granted a GREAT event but just another launch none the less. Call it what you will but at the end of the day? Its a Rocket launch.

[Mike Di Venti]

METRA launches are Indy format. That is they launch commercial and research motors on the same days. Anyone can launch any motor there as long as it's within the rocketeers cert level. (no liquid fueled rockets though)( i mean no gas bombs) Hybrid NO2 is OK
METRA has it's own GL insurance so they can launch this way.

To launch at the METRA site you have to be a club member and a NAR or TRA member. (except for G and under motors) It's in the club's rules and an insurance requirement.

If there are any other questions about this contact Dave Greenapple, dgreenapple@yahoo.com or Tim Wilsey, twilsey@wilseytool.com

They will have ALL the info you'd need to make your decision to come to the best field in the NE.

Maybe this year I'll be able to find a decent parking spot.

[n3tjm]

IMHO the best field is in Maine, and the time it takes to get there for me is about the same as Nerrf.

[Mike Di Venti]

Well, then let's get the NERRF committee to talk about having it in Maine next year.
I'd love to travel there to launch then. I'm good for a road trip! :clap:

[mainer]

IMHO the best field is in Maine, and the time it takes to get there for me is about the same as Nerrf.

Where in Maine?

[H_Rocket]

The location is Tripoli Cherryfield. It is about 80 miles NE of Portland (up around Bar Harbor). They have a killer year around waiver (IIRC ~ 25K). The launch site is a blueberry farm that, according to the prefect, has a secondary crop - bees!

I asked the prefect about moving NERRF there for year three, and he told me the site, while huge, would not support this kind of event. The access roads were iffy and the landowner is OK with 15-20 people launching. A couple hundred was probably not something they would entertain.


By the way, if anyone would like to understand why NERRF has only been at METRA's Pine Island field, please feel free to contact me. I will be happy to share the history off line. Suffice it to say, that if there was another suitable venue, it would be a road show.

[Mike Di Venti]

Sooo, what kind of projects are people bringing to NERRF?
Anything interesting?

[GaryT]

Mike:
I'm still putting my flights together. I've got an M1850GG I've been looking to burn, Its probably one of the last one out there too? Might put that in my 6" THOR? Waiting for the Featured Projects Page to be posted as well.
21850
21851

[redsox15]

ive got my crayon rocket going up on an H of some type and my LOC Phantom that I certed on last year at NERRF 5 also going up on some kind of H. The build thread edit for the crayon bank is below (ps its not finished yet I get out of school friday and will be finishing it then)

http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?t=8422

Matt

[H_Rocket]

Sooo, what kind of projects are people bringing to NERRF?
Anything interesting?

If Kevin O' shows up - my first 54mm Hybrid.
If I get my act together, MY L3 on Friday.
Otherwise, just stuff.

7.5" Fatboy on a K670GG
Galaxy (hybrid or a K Black)
Jayhawk on a J
Stealth on a J135
Excel Plus on J EX load
Blackhawk on a G something.
Warlok on a J535

[gkieley]

If all goes well... I will have my L3 in the bag on June 5th.

7.5" Polecat Patriot on an M1297

R&D 4" Iris on an AT K375 demo load to about 7,200' weather dependant for sure

Thinking of my L3 Performance Rocketry 6" Intimidator on an AT M1550 or M1315 we will have to see about the $$$ situation

After that just a bunch of single deploy H and I motors

[mainer]

The location is Tripoli Cherryfield. It is about 80 miles NE of Portland (up around Bar Harbor). They have a killer year around waiver (IIRC ~ 25K). The launch site is a blueberry farm that, according to the prefect, has a secondary crop - bees!

I asked the prefect about moving NERRF there for year three, and he told me the site, while huge, would not support this kind of event. The access roads were iffy and the landowner is OK with 15-20 people launching. A couple hundred was probably not something they would entertain.


By the way, if anyone would like to understand why NERRF has only been at METRA's Pine Island field, please feel free to contact me. I will be happy to share the history off line. Suffice it to say, that if there was another suitable venue, it would be a road show.

Did you talk to them recently?, Ive tried to contact them with no answer. After I sent them a email last month, they removed their web site. I assume they're not launching anymore.

[H_Rocket]

Not in a couple of years. I do know there was not a whole lot of them though. IIRC they told me their average launch was maybe 5 people.

[avets8]

i am redsox15's brother. just checking but since i am 17, i can do the $10/year fee and be fine right?

i'll be there going for my Junior Lv. 1, hopefully getting it, then flying my 1/18 scale SR-71 Blackbird on a 4-Grain I470.

thanks

[The EGE]

Sudden Mach: drag race on G or H... H165 maybe.

29mm Pyramid: 29/240 load or CTI sparky

Svetlana: H128W or similar

Mozzie: G75J or G64W

Mach Goon: G115WT (If I don't fly it at CATO in 2 weeks)

Deltie Thunder: F12J

SpaceShipOne: D13W

Comanche-4: D12/C6/C6/C6

Not all will fly, unless I manage to stay for both Saturday and Sunday.

[Mike Di Venti]

nice,
Jim Harris has one also. We were talking about Paul's green motors

[Mike Di Venti]

If Kevin O' shows up - amy first 54mm Hybrid.
If I get my act together, MY L3 on Friday.
Otherwise, just stuff.

7.5" Fatboy on a K670GG
Galaxy (hybrid or a K Black)
Jayhawk on a J
Stealth on a J135
Excel Plus on J EX load
Blackhawk on a G something.
Warlok on a J535

Gonna finally join the L3 gang, eh?
What motor? What bird? Scratch built?
Good luck!

[Mike Di Venti]

i am redsox15's brother. just checking but since i am 17, i can do the $10/year fee and be fine right?

i'll be there going for my Junior Lv. 1, hopefully getting it, then flying my 1/18 scale SR-71 Blackbird on a 4-Grain I470.

thanks

Please email David Greenapple about that.
dgreenapple@yahoo.com

[Hangar 11]

I think you can Join METRA as a

Junior Member (non-voting & under 18) = $10.00/year and pay the NERRF fliers fee of 10.00 bucks for HPR access.


OR


You can pay 10 bucks for HPR access and fly with a parent or guardian who is a METRA member and registered NERRF flier.




i am redsox15's brother. just checking but since i am 17, i can do the $10/year fee and be fine right?

i'll be there going for my Junior Lv. 1, hopefully getting it, then flying my 1/18 scale SR-71 Blackbird on a 4-Grain I470.

thanks

[H_Rocket]

Gonna finally join the L3 gang, eh?
What motor? What bird? Scratch built?
Good luck!

A glassed Magnum 3 with either an M1297W or an M1500G. The airframe is ready, I am just fooling with the surface trying to make it look pretty. It will depend on flight conditions though. I want to see the entire flight so I have a strict clear sky rule on this one.

I'm trying to find someone who needs a 75-6400 motor. I have a brand new one I would like to swap for a 75-5120 (Just the case).

[JDcluster]

I'm sure that it's NOT the same for everyone else.....
If you rather fly in Maine, then go right ahead. :bangpan:



JD


IMHO the best field is in Maine, and the time it takes to get there for me is about the same as Nerrf.

[MysticalRockets]

I'm planning on going, but something that is completely out of my control has to happen in order for me to go. I'm sure it WILL happen, not sure WHEN it will happen. I should know something, hopefully, before Memorial Day.

[cbrarick]

Ok, so here's my fly list:

Wildman Jr on some Js (anyone want to drag race???)
My LDRS rocket (finally!)
Wildman DD on some K's
"Morning after bad Thai food 2" a modified LOC Vulconite
LOC Norad Pro Maxx
LOC Nuke Pro Maxx

if I can get it togther:

Art Applewhite's 54 mm stealth

[emaher]

I was planning to attend this year, but the Metra membership requirement is a deal breaker. If this is because the launch allows a mix of certified and experimental motors, I would say either have a separate experimental day, or ditch the experimental stuff altogether.

It's your event, and you can run it as you see fit, but I doubt I am the only one balking at the need to buy a metra membership...

I don't see where the Nypower people are requiring flyers to join their club (yet).

-Eric

[MysticalRockets]

I was planning to attend this year, but the Metra membership requirement is a deal breaker. If this is because the launch allows a mix of certified and experimental motors, I would say either have a separate experimental day, or ditch the experimental stuff altogether.

It's your event, and you can run it as you see fit, but I doubt I am the only one balking at the need to buy a metra membership...

I don't see where the Nypower people are requiring flyers to join their club (yet).

-Eric

I believe it is because of METRA's own insurance policy. Yes, they have their own insurance, and not just NAR/TRA.

In the past, when you paid your entrance fee, you were given a temporary 3 day membership to METRA. I guess that's not good enough for the insurance company anymore.

[kandsrockets]

K and S Rockets will be there for all 3 days as a vendor and flyer even thou there site does not list us as a vendor. If there is anything you are looking for please contact us early so we can make sure we have it with.

[JAllen]

If I get my act together, MY L3 on Friday.


Well, Get your Act together!!

Also, is any Hybrid GSE going to be available for Skyripper motors?

Thanks!

[H_Rocket]

Well, Get your Act together!!

Nag, Nag, Nag....


Also, is any Hybrid GSE going to be available for Skyripper motors?

I hope Kevin O'Classen will be there with his hybrid cell - he has everything for Monotubes. If not, I will bring my small setup as I want to fly 2 hybrids that weekend. I will reach out to him today and see what is on the scope.

A

[GaryT]

Nag, Nag, Nag....
I will bring my small setup as I want to fly 2 hybrids that weekend. A

I guess you're only planning on flying 2 rockets in 3 days then huh:roll:

[H_Rocket]

Only if the days are 32 hours long!

[THarrison]

I was planning to attend this year, but the Metra membership requirement is a deal breaker. If this is because the launch allows a mix of certified and experimental motors, I would say either have a separate experimental day, or ditch the experimental stuff altogether.

It's your event, and you can run it as you see fit, but I doubt I am the only one balking at the need to buy a metra membership...

I don't see where the Nypower people are requiring flyers to join their club (yet).

-Eric

As mentioned earlier, it is only a small total price increase from last year ($10). I think you are seriously underestimating the benefit of allowing EX/commercial together -- even for commercial modroc fliers....

1) EX fliers are some of the most experienced fliers in the hobby. Newer fliers can learn a lot from them.

2) I know lots of TAPs and Prefects that fly exclusively experimental at this point. It might be tough to do certifications if there are fewer people able to sign off.

3) The EX projects are usually some of the largest and most complex at the launch. Many people come to spectate only and see the big stuff fly. Without these impressive projects, the food vendors make less money and some of the spectators that could eventually turn into METRA fliers, might never make that transition.

4) Allowing everything on all days makes it more likely that you'll get your project in the air. If you split up the days by EX and commercial, some fliers could get screwed if the weather on "their day" turns nasty.

And most importantly...

4) Combined flying promotes a cohesive environment instead of split factions of fliers that resent each other because they can't fly on certain days. This division can be very toxic to the growth of a club. The benefit that comes from allowing kids, commerical HPR and EX HPR to fly together is priceless in my opinion. It's good for the hobby and I think the slight additional expense is way more than worth it. It would be nice to see more clubs follow the example that MDRA and METRA have set.

Hope to see you at NERRF.

Todd Harrison

[redsox15]

that is very well stated Todd


Matt

[Mike Di Venti]

Tod,
Thanks. I don't have to type all of that now!!:clap:

Yeah, what he said.

[emaher]

That's all well and good, but... Your post is based on my assumption that the problem is having a mixed commercial/experimental launch. Something the hosting club has neither confirmed nor denied.

When asked why membership in Metra was a requirement, the official answer was simply "Lawyers."

I don't know of another launch with this requirement, so the question remains. Why?

-Eric

[GaryT]

Insurance! plain and simple, Metra has been the host club for 6 years now and has been lucky enough to not have had an incident, Its a minuscule price to pay not to put our field/club in jeopardy. Red Glare and MDRA require you to be a member as well. There are by far! more current Metra members attending NERRF than not so the reason is for the good of the many rather than the good of the few.

[butalane]

Correct me if I'm wrong but METRA really goes out of their way to support this launch. The launch equipment is, for the most part theirs, the field is theirs, and as such the risk is theirs.

Like Gary said, the requirement to be a member is not rare for these regional independantly insured launches. The overal price is not much more than any other regional launch anyway. It is more than a "normal launch" because you're getting more; 3 days of flying, EX and commercial (WAY BETTER), as well as vendors and a large flier turnout.

[Rocketman248]

So it's looking like I may make the trip up to NERRF this year. If I go, it'll be a last minute thing, so I won't have any big projects. I'll be flying my PML Tethys and Phobos on H's and I's. I'll also be flying my G3 on whatever J's I can pick up at the field. I'd like to try either the J1299, or the J1999.

[H_Rocket]

For those who care, I confirmed today that Kevin O'Classen and his Monotube Hybrid setup will be there. I am also bringing 10# of NOx for the party.

[JAllen]

For those who care, I confirmed today that Kevin O'Classen and his Monotube Hybrid setup will be there. I am also bringing 10# of NOx for the party.

Awesome,

Now I just need to source some NOx myself....

[jflis]

So it's looking like I may make the trip up to NERRF this year. If I go, it'll be a last minute thing, so I won't have any big projects. I'll be flying my PML Tethys and Phobos on H's and I's. I'll also be flying my G3 on whatever J's I can pick up at the field. I'd like to try either the J1299, or the J1999.

Nick,

You had darned well better stop by our booth! :)

[H_Rocket]

Awesome,

Now I just need to source some NOx myself....

Unless you are doing some big honkin fills, you can mooch off me. If you feel guilty, you can buy me a hot dog for lunch from Nadine's

[jderimig]

Unless you are doing some big honkin fills, you can mooch off me. If you feel guilty, you can buy me a hot dog for lunch from Nadine's

I have about 10# left of medical grade. You could have used some at RG8.

[Rocketman248]

Nick,

You had darned well better stop by our booth! :)

If I can make it, you can be sure I'll stop by. I don't know if I'm going to make it though. It might not be in the budget.:(

[kandsrockets]

If I can make it, you can be sure I'll stop by. I don't know if I'm going to make it though. It might not be in the budget.:(

Nick hope you can make it. It was nice meeting you at RG8.

[kandsrockets]

Awesome,

Now I just need to source some NOx myself....

You gas passer please setup down wind of me.....:D

[H_Rocket]

I have about 10# left of medical grade. You could have used some at RG8.


We need to burn the Nitrous Plus on the field and save your stuff for the post launch party....

[patelldp]

I will be there, most likely for at least 2 days (Friday-Saturday). Plans as of right now are my 3" Generic Rocket on a 54-800 Orange J375, 54-1750 K800 Blue. Also my Rocket Formerly Known as Onyx on several small motors, namely some Kosdon E40F's, a G71R, and a few 29-2g motors (I know I have at least one G55 Everclear). Pretty small affair for me.

[H_Rocket]

Dan - Do you have a Kosdon 29-150 motor that I could mooch?

[JAllen]

Unless you are doing some big honkin fills, you can mooch off me. If you feel guilty, you can buy me a hot dog for lunch from Nadine's

I'm planning to maybe fly my 54mm Skyripper 1120cc once or twice. I'm not quite sure how much NOx that translates into in terms of weight.

[patelldp]

Dan - Do you have a Kosdon 29-150 motor that I could mooch?

I wish. I have been thinking about cloning all of the cases so that I can then fly either Kosdon or EX loads at METRA launches...

[Tetrahedron]

And be aware that to join METRA you must already be a NAR or TRA member. So if you are none of the above, figure $62 to join NAR, $30 to join METRA, plus the $10 flyer fee for NERRF= $102.

Glenn

No, you only need to be a NAR/TRA member if you want to fly HPR.
We need to see some kind of proof that a person is capable of flying a
rocket with a specific motor. Otherwise you can only fly up to G.

THX, John

[Tetrahedron]

The bros and I will be there as well!!

Just curious why the addition of becoming a METRA member this year?


Cant wait!

Matt

This is METRA policy for anyone who wants to fly at this field, period.

THX, John :dark:

[dgreenapple]

BBQ at NERRF??? Ruh roh...

Lloyd and Nadine, our dedicated food vendors who attend most every METRA launch, have proposed staying later on Saturday night and providing BBQ fare.

That said, they'd like some feedback in advance on who's interested in attending. There's a signup form at www.nerrf.org.

Please go to www.nerrf.org and let us know if you will do the BBQ...

[Hangar 11]

:wave:

Nadine’s Dogs / NERRF 6 BBQ Menu
Served on Saturday, 26 June 2010, after 6:00 p.m.)

Hickory Smoked Beef Brisket
Grilled or BBQ Chicken
(Leg & Thigh)
Sweet Corn-on-a-Cobb
Baked Beans
Cole Slaw or Macaroni Salad
Fresh Roll & Butter
Ice Tea or Soft Drink
$13.00 Adults
$6.50 Children under 10
Lemonade, Hot dogs, spicy sausages, chips, bottled drinks and more will still be available throughout the day for the NERRF launch

Please visit www.nerrf.org (http://www.nerrf.org) and sign up TODAY!

[Hangar 11]

I was asked to report that the METRA sod fields we fly off have been harvested. We will be flying off the black dirt. [ not turned ]

As a result we will not be able to fly sparkies at NERRF 6.

Just in case you are not familiar with the METRA field , the soil is flamable, without sod to protect the black dirt, the black dirt can catch fire and takes a major effort to put out. We experienced this at NERRF 1 after a sparky load flew towards the end of the day.

Please plan accordingly.

NERRF 6 BBQ registration is OPEN.

Please visit www.nerrf.org (http://www.nerrf.org) and sign up today.

[dgreenapple]

For the safety of the large crowds that come to NERRF, we're going to limit the total impulse to "M" for NERRF.

We recommend that if you are flying a big rocket with an "M" load or a complex load that totals to "M", that you register on the NERRF website in advance so we know about your flight and can work with you wherever possible.

Remember -- "M" Total Impulse Limit at NERRF

[josepher44]

It seems that I'll be going for my level 2 certification at NERRF this year (with NAR). Two questions about that:

First, does METRA, or any other participating club, have the NAR level 2 tests available? Or do I have to do something special to get one of these, to take on-site.

Second, I need to find myself a certification team. If you'd be willing to help me out Saturday afternoon with test administration and signing off on the flight, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

-Joe

[Mike Di Venti]

Hi,
First contact Gene Costanza @ level3@nyc.rr.com
Tell him what you want to do. He will be able to help.
Please , make sure you bring the filled out cert. form with you. Bring your NAR card also.
I can help also with being a witness to the flight and sign.
Good luck.

[GaryT]

With NERRF 6 only a little over a week and a half away there are still a ton of volunteer spots open. Remember this is your launch and unless we can fill these slots the launch will come to a screeching halt. So please do your share and sign up. NERRF 6 VOLUNTEER SIGN UP. (http://nerrf.org/Volunteer/Volunteer.php)

[dgreenapple]

NERRF6 Pre-Registration on the Web Site will close on Friday June 18th at 5:00 PM. After that time, you will have to register at the field. Registration will then go up from $10 to $15.

See you at NERRF!!!!!

[dgreenapple]

NERRF Registration is now closed. See you at the field Friday.

Weather predictions look pretty good right now for Friday and Saturday. Sunday's got T-Storms, but how accurate is a week's in advance?!

We'll see you there and we'll fly!!!!

[dgreenapple]

Joe

In answer to both your questions below -- YES! There will be tests, there will be people who want to help and the NAR L3CC's have been given advance notice of L2 Cert interest... See you there.


It seems that I'll be going for my level 2 certification at NERRF this year (with NAR). Two questions about that:

First, do [you] have the NAR level 2 tests available?

Second, I need to find myself a certification team.

-Joe

[Hangar 11]

NERRF 6 is this Friday, Saturday and Sunday, the forecast is looking good so far. The Famous NERRF BBQ Registration is still OPEN at this time but will close shortly. After it closes there will be limited on field BBQ sign ups. Don't miss out, sign up today!

This weeks Pine Island, NY forecast......

Wednesday: A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 87. South southwest wind between 5 and 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 40%.

Wednesday Night: A chance of showers and thunderstorms, mainly before 2am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 68. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

Thursday: A chance of showers and thunderstorms after 8am. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 83. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

Thursday Night: Mostly cloudy, with a low around 58.

Friday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 85.

Friday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 58.

Saturday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 84.

Saturday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 62.

Sunday: Partly sunny, with a high near 88.

[Rocketman248]

Man, I wish I could be there for this one. Have a good time guys!

[Toyguy]

Does anyone know if it will be possible to join Metra at the field? I just realized I never got around to doing that. Thanks!

[kandsrockets]

Does anyone know if it will be possible to join Metra at the field? I just realized I never got around to doing that. Thanks!
Yes you can. I just asked that question. Make sure you have your NAR or TRA card with you.

[Hangar 11]

Good Day Nerrfettes.......

To fly at NERRF All fliers need to be a member of METRA.

There are 2 ways to Join.

1- Online via Paypal or on the field at NERRF.

To Join online please visit www.metrarocketclub.org (http://www.metrarocketclub.org) and use the online registration process.

PRINT OUT YOUR PAYPAL RECEIPT and BRING IT TO NERRF With a copy of your NAR or TRA card.

To join in person at NERRF

Visit www.metrarocketclub.org (http://www.metrarocketclub.org) [ New Members tab] and printout the

2010 METRA Membership Form and waiver (http://www.metrarocketclub.org/information/download/membership2010.pdf)(in pdf format)

2010 METRA Membership Form and waiver (http://www.metrarocketclub.org/information/download/membership2010.doc)(in doc format)

Fill them Both out at home and bring them to the METRA field with a copy of your NAR or TRA card. The METRA registration table will be located NEAR the NERRF registration table. Cash or checks as payment no CC or Paypal on the field.

IMPORTANT!!!!

Due to the harvested field conditions we will be flying off the Pine Island black dirt, Sparky motors will not be permitted at NERRF 6 2010

Please plan your flights accordingly.

[Adam Selene]

It looks like RocketTshirts.com will be making the trip!

AND we will be having a sale!
any in stock kids shirt $ 10.00
any in stock adult T $ 15.00

see y'all friday!

[Hangar 11]

NWS New York, NY (http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/)
Point Forecast: Pine Island NY
41.31°N 74.36°WMobile Weather Information (http://www.srh.noaa.gov/cte.htm)
Last Update: (http://www.weather.gov/glossary/index.php?word=Last+update) 3:22 am EDT Jun 23, 2010
Forecast Valid: (http://www.weather.gov/glossary/index.php?word=forecast+valid+for) 7am EDT Jun 23, 2010-6pm EDT Jun 29, 2010

Thursday: A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 88. West southwest wind between 7 and 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.

Thursday Night: A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms before 10pm. Partly cloudy, with a low around 59. West northwest wind between 4 and 7 mph becoming calm. Chance of precipitation is 20%.

Friday: Sunny, with a high near 84. Northwest wind between 3 and 9 mph.

Friday Night: Mostly clear, with a low around 55.

Saturday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 82.

Saturday Night: A chance of showers. Partly cloudy, with a low around 63. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

Sunday: A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 90. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

Sunday Night: A chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 68. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

[jflis]

FlisKits is nearly done getting things ready for NERRF. I picked up the range box stickers and our NERRF banner, so we're set there.

Now we're working to get inventory up to snuff so we have enough kits for everybody :)

See you folks there!
jim

[kandsrockets]

K and S Rockets is all packed up and will be heading out early in the morning. See you all on the field.

[Hangar 11]

Hangar 11 is on the field, I'll be open for business first thing Friday morning.

Overnight: Mostly clear, with a low around 62. Northwest wind around 5 mph.

Friday: Sunny, with a high near 83. West northwest wind between 3 and 7 mph.

Friday Night: Mostly clear, with a low around 57. Southwest wind around 5 mph becoming calm.

Saturday: A chance of showers and thunderstorms, mainly after 3pm. Partly cloudy, with a high near 84. West southwest wind between 3 and 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

Saturday Night: A chance of showers and thunderstorms, mainly before 3am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 63. West northwest wind around 6 mph becoming calm. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

Sunday: A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 85. Chance of precipitation is 20%.

Sunday Night: A chance of showers and thunderstorms after 11pm. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 66. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

[MysticalRockets]

Sorry guys, not going to make it.

Worried if we're even going to have any food come Tuesday.

[patelldp]

Nice day of flying today. Several M flights from the away cell, as well as a bunch of HPR flights.


I flew my Generic 3" Rocket (now named "Goon" from an inside joke...) on a Loki J712 Blue and an EX 29-500 White.

The J712 flight failed to deploy the main due to too little BP in the charge. Smacked down with no damage, but the altimeter lost power so the RRC2 didn't report an altitude. The flight was very fast, and less than half of the liner is left!

Next was the little 29-500 I250 WL clone. Nice little chip to 1060' with single deploy for a nice walk on the sod to recover.

All in all it was a great day and had a lot of fun seeing people I haven't seen in over 5 years!

[Rocketman248]

29-500? Geez, how long is that case?

[patelldp]

29-500? Geez, how long is that case?

It's pretty long, and I could be exaggerating a bit. I have done a blue and two whites in the case so far, and I am guessing with how big the cores in the grains have to be to make it work it's probably a 400ns case. In that case, the blue load I did in it was an I666 and the white was about an I275. It is six 2" grains.

[jflis]

29-500? Geez, how long is that case?

Where you at, Nick??? Thought you were coming out?

We had a great Saturday (we actually left a bit early each day as our dog was getting agitated in the heat...)

Clear (mostly) skies and virtually no wind. Heck, when they send a bird up past 6000 feet and land the darned thing back into the launch pads, that's a GOOD day of flying!

We did have 2 sparky related fires that were quickly put out. They had the area watered down to allow for some sparkies in the morninng but by Sat they had dried out again. Maybe more tomorrow...

jim

[Rocketman248]

Sorry Jim, I couldn't make it. My L3 project is taking up all of my rocket budget. I did make it to the MDRA launch today though.

Any chance you'll be at Red Glare in the fall?

[Toyguy]

It was indeed a great day Saturday, with only a few small raindrops late in the day that were even hard to notice.

I'm taking it slow this year, only flying twice on Saturday after a very late arrival on Friday. I put my PML Tethys up on a CTI H152 Blue Streak, which worked beautifully and recovered a couple hundred yards out.

My other flight was the Giant Leap Escape Velocity, which went up on the CTI J285 Classic. A picture perfect up phase to a recorded 5484' was only slightly marred by a premature main deployment at apogee. The main event could be heard later, so my guess is the nose cone was too loose, though it has flown several times previously. Perhaps the high temperatures loosened it enough...

The rocket drifted well off the field, where we were not permitted to go recover, but it made its way back about an hour later thanks to one of the landowner's family members who was handling the off-field recoveries. Thanks to them for that wonderful service!

Looking forward to tomorrow...

Dave Goodwin
Tripoli 12203
NAR 89283
L2

[patelldp]

Flew "The Goon" (3" Rocket) on a 54-1200 Blue today to 6338'. Recovery real close to the pad, maybe a few thousand feet on the sod. Max velocity was around 600 mph based on some quick calcs from the MAWD readout. Perfect dual deploy this time. Thanks to Todd for the motor, which was approximately a J600.

[titan]

pics anyone?

[Sgt Blowfly]

Dave,
Was that your Tethys on the silver streak today (Sunday) ? Awesome flight !

[H_Rocket]

pics anyone?

Here is a couple of favorites of mine. My L3 certification - QUE$TIONABLE INVE$TMENT on an M1297.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii35/al_gloer/QI001.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii35/al_gloer/QI002.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii35/al_gloer/QI003.jpg

[gkieley]

WAY TO GO AL!!!!!!!

[Toyguy]

Dave,
Was that your Tethys on the silver streak today (Sunday) ? Awesome flight !

Yes that was the one. My very last Silver Streak :(

I later flew my Escape Velocity on an old Vulcan H motor that also worked perfectly. This gives me great hopes for my remaining Aerotech I95!

Dave

[JDcluster]

It took me a day to find my rocket from Sat after looking for over an hour & finding at least 4 other rockets...

The ARTS1 data revealed the following: http://jdcluster.net/Rockets/METRA/2010/J1260BB.JPG


http://jdcluster.net/Rockets/METRA/2010/TFFlightdataj1260.JPG

[dgreenapple]

We're keen to get NERRF feedback. What could have been better? What was particularly nice? What did you miss? What was new that you loved?

Be realistic with your feedback. Volunteers are reading it. We don't work for Disney Corporation, even though we wish we could do a Disney-Quality job....

:)

[josepher44]

I last attended NERRF 3, missing NERRFs 4 and 5. That being said, NERRF has become MUCH better run sometime over the past 3 years. Couple of comments:


WELL DONE on the process of dealing with off-limits fields. It was made very clear at the fliers meetings where we could and could not go, and the promise (that seemed to be followed through on) of "talk to one of these guys, we'll get it for you when we have a chance" was much better than the "the farmer will probably send it back to you in a few weeks" announced at NERRF3.

Except for a short period during the peak flying time of Saturday, lines seemed nonexistent. It seemed like this was the result of both sides of the range being cold at many times, allowing for much more rapid loading, without too much expense of flight rate.

The field was, as always, amazing; I know the idea of NERRF was for it to move around, but I really can't imagine it elsewhere in the northeast.

The dedicated hybrid pad was great, no hybrid-related delays, even though there was a hybrid that took a good part of the day to get going.

Bring back Nadine's Hot Dogs. Nuff said.


Now a few suggestions:

It was announced on these forums a few weeks before the event, and re-stated only 3 days before, that sparkies would be banned. I was planning on flying my first sparkies, and did not bring them as a result. It was somewhat disappointing when they were permitted (though with the fire, maybe they shouldn't have been after all.) For whatever is decided next year though, consistency is key.

Be more clear on which is the "Left" and "Right" side of the flight line (just a simple mention during the fliers meeting). I worked ALCO with 2 different LCOs, one of whom referred to it from the point of view of the fliers, while the other used the POV of the LCO, looking back at the flight line! This made calls of "Heads up on the Right!!" kind of vague.

Add more speakers! On the far left of the flight line, announcements, while auduble, were sometimes hard to make out.

This probably isn't too practical, but maybe work more with the FAA ahead of time to ensure that there isn't so much air traffic. Short of that, a schedule of "High altitude windows every hour" rather than the on-the-go call-ins might have caused fewer high-altitude wait times.



But overall,

Great NERRF!!

[Mike Di Venti]

I last attended NERRF 3, missing NERRFs 4 and 5. That being said, NERRF has become MUCH better run sometime over the past 3 years. Couple of comments:


WELL DONE on the process of dealing with off-limits fields. It was made very clear at the fliers meetings where we could and could not go, and the promise (that seemed to be followed through on) of "talk to one of these guys, we'll get it for you when we have a chance" was much better than the "the farmer will probably send it back to you in a few weeks" announced at NERRF3.

Except for a short period during the peak flying time of Saturday, lines seemed nonexistent. It seemed like this was the result of both sides of the range being cold at many times, allowing for much more rapid loading, without too much expense of flight rate.

The field was, as always, amazing; I know the idea of NERRF was for it to move around, but I really can't imagine it elsewhere in the northeast.

The dedicated hybrid pad was great, no hybrid-related delays, even though there was a hybrid that took a good part of the day to get going.

Bring back Nadine's Hot Dogs. Nuff said.


Now a few suggestions:

It was announced on these forums a few weeks before the event, and re-stated only 3 days before, that sparkies would be banned. I was planning on flying my first sparkies, and did not bring them as a result. It was somewhat disappointing when they were permitted (though with the fire, maybe they shouldn't have been after all.) For whatever is decided next year though, consistency is key.

Be more clear on which is the "Left" and "Right" side of the flight line (just a simple mention during the fliers meeting). I worked ALCO with 2 different LCOs, one of whom referred to it from the point of view of the fliers, while the other used the POV of the LCO, looking back at the flight line! This made calls of "Heads up on the Right!!" kind of vague.

Add more speakers! On the far left of the flight line, announcements, while auduble, were sometimes hard to make out.

This probably isn't too practical, but maybe work more with the FAA ahead of time to ensure that there isn't so much air traffic. Short of that, a schedule of "High altitude windows every hour" rather than the on-the-go call-ins might have caused fewer high-altitude wait times.



But overall,

Great NERRF!!

There is nothing we can do about the planes overhead. METRA is located in the "approach " to land for all 3 major airports in the Metro NYC/Newark, nj area.
Also, Kennedy's main runway is under construction since the begining of year. So there is an increase in traffic overhead until next year or longer. Be greatful that we still have the 12k to use in the first place.

As far as the sparky change, take that up with the landowner liason. The NERRF board really didn't have a say in the change at the time. (I think).

[SCE to AUX]

What happened with the NERRF T-shirts this year? I saw lots of folks wearing ones from previous years, so I guess lack of past sales wasn't the reason...:confused:

[H_Rocket]

We decided at the end of the day there will be 4 PA speakers next year and there will be a WLCO channel.

I was as surprised as anyone about the sparkies. Craig Lynch, who is one of the best guys you will ever meet (the guy with the white truck) decided it was worth the effort to set up the irrigation equipment ans allow sparky motors. Next time you are at METRA give the guy your unquestioned thanks.


What happened with the NERRF T-shirts this year? I saw lots of folks wearing ones from previous years, so I guess lack of past sales wasn't the reason...:confused:

There was an upheaval in the planning committee very late in the game and the person managing the shirts stopped being involved.It was too late to pick up the ball and run.

[AndyC]

It was a great NERRF. Quite a large vendor presence (to my checkbook's dismay), fabulous weather, great flights & good folks. My son and I thoughoughly enjoyed it. Thanks to all the organizers and folks who participated!

[The EGE]

I absolutely loved NERRF, this year and last. I really don't have any critiques to make. I never waited more than 10 minutes for a range slot, everyone was helpful and polite, and it seemed exceptionally well run. Bravo to all!

I've got pictures, coming soon!

[Toyguy]

The only real suggestion I can make is to have the LCO take a moment at each volunteer shift changeover and read off the names of the incoming volunteers. I know I missed one of my shifts due to getting caught up in flight preps, and I felt bad about it. A quick announcement would have jogged my memory :)

Other than that, great launch, great weather, great field and great support from the landowners and from Craig. That man deserves a medal :clap:

[dgreenapple]

1. Fascinating point on Left and Right of field when you're yelling "heads up". We'll have to work on that. Thanks.

2. T-Shirts were too complicated and financially risky. We did a different planning format this year and did not want to take the risk. We will likely do the T-Shirts next year.

3. Sorry about Sparkies. It's a weather-based decision and I was amazed we were still allowed to fly them after that fire. -- Quite a blaze...

Thanks, and keep the feedback and ideas coming. They're really great! And thanks for not complaining -- it's much more productive this way

[jflis]

Having been one of the sponsors of NERRF since its inception, it is fun and interesting to watch it grow and mature over the years. This year was a great one with hot but calm days to fly.

When you send a minimum diameter bird to over 6000 feet and land the sucker in the dirt near the launch pads... ...THAT'S a good day to fly rockets! :)

There were rarely any lines to get to the pads, unlike past years, but I wonder if that is because there were fewer fliers. Do we have numbers of flights and comparisons to previous years?

Sorry about the t-shirts. We were working the issue but ran out of time before we could get all the decisions made. It was a whole mix of things. Hopefully next year so keep watch :)

There were gobs of great vendors there (it's gotten to the point where the only t-shirts I buy now are from Rocket-T-Shirts (thanks Chuck :) ) as I see him 1-2 times a year...)

FlisKits was very well received but, as always, we didn't bring enough micro kits with us. It's weird, but when we go to a HPR launch (NERRF, NYPOWER, LDRS), we sell GOBS of micro rockets... LOL

Feedback that I would provide include the following:

Sound system (already mentioned). I heard it fine, but then I was right near the range head. Many on the extreme right and left were left in the dark most of the time.
Count downs. LCO's would take the time to announce a rocket and it's mission and then pop off a 1.5 second rapid 3-count (321launch!) and it was hard to get ready with your camera. Many of my shots are out of focus and such...
Low power pad reliability: We've had this in past years, but there seems to be a lot of problems with the low power pads every year and this year was no different. At one point, the left side pads were just shut down for the whole day.


We had a great time. We had to pull off the field early each day as we were dealing with our Cocker Spaniel and some serious anxiety problems (had to extend our stay a day and see a vet Monday morning...) (he's doing fine now though :) )

Now, let's start thinking about next year!

[Yoehahn]

Jim, its because after spending $20 and upwards for one engine, its nice to get a rocket for under $10 and fly her for about $1 :p :roll:

[H_Rocket]

NERRF6 T-Shirts

Is anyone still interested? If so PM me and I will take count. If we can get enough folks who are willing to lay out the cash in advance it might happen after all. We would probably need 25 or so. and they would likely be around $20.

[redsox15]

Ill start off by saying I loved NERRF 6. It was my second year at this launch (NERRF 5 being my first) and am definitely coming back next year. Great people great vendors and it ran very smooth even though a slower start on the first day which is understandable. No problems with the pads and as mentioned before nothing was ever backed up. Can't wait for next year


Matt

[gregzo]

GREAT NERRF !!!!

Other than 10 degrees cooler...you really can't ask for any better weather for a rocket launch. Light to non-existant winds every day. Clear skies. Few waits for pads. Minimal equipment issues. Minimal fire issues...All were handled calmly and without much sweat being broken.

Flight estimates:
Friday - 195
Saturday - 330
Sunday (guess only - no count yet) - 200 to 250

So 725 to 775 total flights.


Thanks for all the positive and constructive feedback about the launch.

Speakers - as Al said we should have 4 speakers next year to more evenly sound the field.
Sparkies...unfortunately when you fly off a sod farm where the dirt itself is flammable...the sparkie go/no go decision is fluid and always variable. It is a working farm. Conditions & weather change by the hour. Craig & the setup crew on Thursday worked their a$$es off to haul all that irragation pipe out on the field and Craig watered the field every night. That's real effort!!! It's all about attitude. And I know we rocketeers have the best!! I too left all my sparkie loads at home...but once sparkies were allowed I smiled a big grin...ran into that big trailer down the flight line and grabbed me (3) sparkie loads to fly!!!!
LCO quick counts...I am probably guilty. Sorry Jim. I will try to do better. All I can say is at a large launch we try to keep up the pace to keep the lines as short as possible.
LCO left/right confusion...well when under pressure we all start to fumble for words. Myself included. NERRF was quite short on volunteers in general. Many shifts went unfilled and we did the best we could.
LPR pads...the METRA LPR pads did great this year!!! It was completely rebuilt over the winter. THANKS METRA!! We did have problems with other (left) side. As always...equipment issues arise when we least want them. Efforts will be made to improve for next year. (Already in the works. Discussions about that were made in the car ride home Monday!!)
Volunteer shift callout...yes we could have done better. It was simply a mix up of several people (organizers) thinking one of the others were going to "print" a schedule and bring it. Unfortunatley none of us did...so there was no schedule to read. We just hoped those who sign up will show up.
Thank You Craig Lynch!!! You da MAN!!! He is a great asset!!!
Thank You to all the fliers for staying off any field that is not sod. This is SO important!!!
As far as the FAA goes and air traffic and high altitude call-ins. We have what we have. We have a great field and great people on METRA calling in flights and coordinating with the FAA. The FAA works with METRA wonderfully and they do the best they can mixing the aircraft flights AND allowing us to fly rockets. Thank You Bill Zimmer for doing an incredible job working with the FAA!!! There is absolutely no more that can be done in this regard. Please be thankful for what we do have as it truly is outstanding even though we would all like more.
Thank You to all those who worked and volunteered. We know it cuts into your own family time, friends time and flying time. But when you volunteer, you are helping those who help you. We are all just volunteers out there and we do it because we love this hobby and we like to give back effort because when WE ourselves fly, we know there are others working to help us. We ask all to have the same attitude.

I had a fantastic time!! I got in 8 flights myself.
(3) K flights
(1) I flight
(2) H flights
(1) G flight
(1) 2 D & 2 E cluster (Viper 4)

See you all next year!!!!

[Diosces]

Nice to see everyone, especially Stan. Our family thanks everyone-volunteers and club members, who made the launch such a fun and nicely executed event.
Finally got my Smoke on the Water up on the KBA L2300g! It cocked a bit but still got a respectable 7500 feet with excellent deployment and recovery: Pic #1
My friend Steve's Galaxy on an I600R: Pic #2
Girls little dog race: Pic #3
Steve's Vega launch: Pic #4

[butalane]

I thought the launch was great, I had a fun time, my only complaint was walking the seemingly endless flight line to get to my car every time I needed something :D

Thanks for letting me get my Patriot up at the end, I know I was a little late but I didn't think the weather was going to be that nice on Sunday.

[gregzo]

Thanks for letting me get my Patriot up at the end, I know I was a little late but I didn't think the weather was going to be that nice on Sunday.
Ending NERRF on an M load was GREAT!!! We all had fun!! Wonderful flight!

[daveyfire]

Thanks for letting me get my Patriot up at the end, I know I was a little late but I didn't think the weather was going to be that nice on Sunday.

You actually prepped a rocket *slower* than Todd? :eek:

[butalane]

You actually prepped a rocket *slower* than Todd? :eek:


OUCH! haha after all the complaining at Red Glare you think I would do that?

Actually we started prepping at about 12 because we realized the skies were clear. I was finished around 2:30 but someone was still building the motor (since I built his the day before) and when all was said and done it was about 3.

Although I will give Todd credit, he had Organ Donor up and flown by 3 the day before, but we also got to the field before 9am and started prepping.

[Mike Di Venti]

I think there should be a reminder meeting about the range rules somewhere halfway through the day.
You can get many late arrivals that miss the flyers meeting at 9 or 10am.
Especially in regards to rocket recovery. There was one person who was walking through an onion field looking for his rocket. Craig handled it but there was no reason that person should of been in that field.

The volunteering is always an issue. I was late for my time slot so I stayed at there later to make up for it. I feel there is not any excuse out there for not volunteering your time to help out at the launch. We ALL want to launch rockets all day. Taking an hour to help out part of running a successful rocket launch whether it's a regular monthly or yearly event is not asking too much.
Thank you to all those that did their share and a big shame on you to those that didn't.
Craig doesn't read these forums but a huge thank you out to him and his son Bailey for retrieving rockets(my 7.5" n.c.). We at METRA are spoiled rotten because of those two. God bless 'em.

[patelldp]

The volunteering is always an issue. I was late for my time slot so I stayed at there later to make up for it. I feel there is not any excuse out there for not volunteering your time to help out at the launch. WE all want to launch rockets all day. Taking an hour to help out part of running a successful rocket launch whether it's a regular monthly or yearly event.
Thank you to all those that did their share and a big shame on you to those that didn't.


I couldn't agree more. I volunteered for just under 4 hours for Friday and Saturday, which I had signed up to do. While pad managing there were people complaining a little bit about availability of 3/8" rods on the left bank and couldn't take the fact that they would have to wait. They flew several times over the two days I was there, and didn't volunteer one second. When I was up for a shift my name was called repeatedly while I was making my way from the extreme end of the flight line. When my shifts were over, they opened the floor for volunteers, so I assumed that I was one of the very few that volunteered to be a pad manager.

With that many people there, it should be mandatory to volunteer at least one hour. I understand that can be a logistical nightmare, but possibly put a volunteer sheet on each flight card. People would appreciate what goes into setting up and keeping the gears turning a little more.

[GaryT]

My 6" THOR on a KBA M1450W to 8874'

24548

[dgreenapple]

This probably isn't too practical, but maybe work more with the FAA ahead of time to ensure that there isn't so much air traffic. Great NERRF!!

Being realistic, I think it's wonderful that the Control Tower takes our calls, interacts on the phone with the Prefect and allows us to fly to up to 12,000 feet.

But I'm loving the creativity..... :)

[Hangar 11]

NERRF 6 was the second best NERRF todate.....

yes second I think NERRF 1 was he best because we were all kinda clueless and pulled it off inspite of a turnout far in excess of what we were expecting.....

No doubt that "We The fliers" got alot of things right this time.

The sprinkler system Craig set up was "over the top" he and Bailey were still at the field on Thursday night at 8:00 watering the field and watering again early Friday morning... so it would be flight ready [ and sparky ready ]

Craig is an amazing person and appreciated by everyone who flies at METRA.

Thank you METRA for maintaing a great flying field and flight gear.

Thanks to Chip Lane and Pine Island Turf, for the use of the field and the NEW sod access ramp to the field.

RE 5K flights and call ins.... METRA's field is directly under a Victor airway, The equivelent of an interstate highway in the air, an interstate highway in the busiest air traffic control area in the northeast. The NYC traffic control area. Bill Z is doing a great job working with the FAA and following the call in procedures.

RE volunteers, Thanks to all who stepped up, I wish I could say there were lots of new faces at LCO, RSO and pad managers... there were not... same volunteers we see at every launch and maybe at every NERRF. I wonder what would happen if the volunteer regulars took a year off ?????

I did enjoy the BBQ this year, seemed to go smoothly, no hyper sales mode needed to sell tickets so we did not loose money....
Lloyd did sell the number of tickets he was prepared to sell. So I expect it worked for him and for NERRF.

I'm looking forward to NERRF 7......

[Mike Di Venti]

N7.... where at CATO? (stop throwing stuff at me):pop:
CTRA(cobleskill)

[madmax]

Sounds like you all had a great time. Excellent! Fun is always good!

Regarding the volunteer issue one thing my club has done with our big yearly launch, Fire in the Sky, is have a signup form for different jobs on the website where you register for the event. All you have to do is input your name and email address and click the button for the task and it adds you to the form. The organizers also make it known that no flying will take place on that day unless the form is completely filled up. You'd be surprised how quickly people volunteer!

[cbrarick]

Ok, here's my best picture. I guess naked rockets take longer to light...both are still on the pad on this shot! Anyhow, all four got up and down without problems.

[H_Rocket]

N7.... where at CATO? (stop throwing stuff at me):pop:
Well It would be a bargain...nothing bigger than a model rocket can fly on our field.

Volunteering - I'm in debt as I certified and did not do anything except setup and breakdown. With the next round of planning, I think there should be a simple rule. You don't get your range credentials until you are on the grid.

[gkieley]

Great weekend for sure. Thanks to everyone who volunteered. Here are a couple of pics.

6" Performance Rocketry Intimidator on an AT M1315 and my 7.5" Polecat Patriot on an AT M1297.

[The EGE]

Mozzie, liftoff on a G64W
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_EJkjkDNMUAs/TCltndMmUkI/AAAAAAAAAp0/GcixVOMTg2o/s400/Mozzie%20liftoff.JPG

Al's sucessful cert flight, descending through its own smoke trail:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_EJkjkDNMUAs/TCltvEFGIOI/AAAAAAAAAqA/xltcszbDrnQ/s400/Al%20L3.JPG

And my favorite picture of the launch: a successful return.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_EJkjkDNMUAs/TCltrgYi2fI/AAAAAAAAAp8/pvEaH8ak_fw/s400/Sucessful%20return.JPG

[kandsrockets]

Here is a picture of our Green Goblin flying on a 4 grain 54mm Dark Wing formula.

[patelldp]

My 3" Rocket on an Infinity J600 Blue to 6338' according to the MAWD.

Photo Credit goes to Todd Harrison.

[rocket1017]

I had a great time at NERRF. Great to see so many old friends come out to fly each year.

Here are pic's of my BSD little John on 54mm LOKI J175 moon and my LOC King Viper III on (3) Cesaroni J410's Red Lighting's flew on Fri. and Sat at NERRF 6.

Both rockets by the way flew to just a little over 5400 feet and were easy dual deployment recovery's.

[dgreenapple]

So how does the leader insist on volunteerism without sounding like a pr*ck?

How does this sound -- "We're stopping the launch until we get two Pad Managers. Any Pad Managers?"

How do you say that without it coming across as nasty?

[patelldp]

So how does the leader insist on volunteerism without sounding like a pr*ck?

How does this sound -- "We're stopping the launch until we get two Pad Managers. Any Pad Managers?"

How do you say that without it coming across as nasty?

At the flyers meeting say "we don't start launching today until we have each slot filled for the day"?

[Chuck H]

This is my second NERFF but I was only a spectator last year. Here's a pic of my first RMS flight - Aerotech HV Arcas on a G53-7FJ. Pics by my son, Zac. Thanks to Bobby from Hanger 11 for the assist in motor assembly.

[Chuck H]

Here are a couple other shots that my son Zac got. Sorry, I don't have any details other than they were shot around 11:30 on Sunday.

[jderimig]

So how does the leader insist on volunteerism without sounding like a pr*ck?

How does this sound -- "We're stopping the launch until we get two Pad Managers. Any Pad Managers?"

How do you say that without it coming across as nasty?

As someone with experience in this matter.....

The above doesn't work well. It's like inviting people to a party and threatening to stop the music unless you get help with the dishes (even though volunteering was requested yada yada yada).

Two choices are:
1. Club officers and event committee members suck it up and fill the empty slots no matter how unfair it is to you or how exhausted you are. Its one of the perks of the job.

2. Have an important committee member walk the flight line and individually and privately request specific people volunteer. It is hard for people to say no, it is easy for people to avoid volunteering. Human nature. Also profusely gush gratitude when those asked accept. Pump them up.

[gregzo]

As someone with experience in this matter.....

The above doesn't work well. It's like inviting people to a party and threatening to stop the music unless you get help with the dishes (even though volunteering was requested yada yada yada).

Two choices are:
1. Club officers and event committee members suck it up and fill the empty slots no matter how unfair it is to you or how exhausted you are. Its one of the perks of the job.

2. Have an important committee member walk the flight line and individually and privately request specific people volunteer. It is hard for people to say no, it is easy for people to avoid volunteering. Human nature. Also profusely gush gratitude when those asked accept. Pump them up.

As unfortunate as it is...I couldn't agree more. Basically you just suck it up. I try to put it my fair share of effort at the NERRF launches. Others work harder than I so I can't say much. Only when you are the hardest working SOB on the field do you have any right to complain about being overworked. The organizers of NERRF and most clubs officers work as stated...and they get burned out over a few years...then another crew that will have to work too hard steps up...and then they get burned out.
Show me many clubs that DON'T operate like this? I am not saying it is a goal nor ideal...it is reality however.

We as organizers fouled up. We did not have a schedule so we could not ask for specific people that did sign up in case they lost track of time. We did not have a schedule to say we have two open slots coming up in an hour...how about signing up.

The launch ran smoothly...Lets drop the whining about volunteering and focus on the great aspects of this wonderful NERRF launch.

I'm very happy about the launch, I'm happy I could help others have a good time, I'm happy my kids had fun. That's enough for me to keep doing it.

:):):):):):):)

[Mike Di Venti]

So how does the leader insist on volunteerism without sounding like a pr*ck?

How does this sound -- "We're stopping the launch until we get two Pad Managers. Any Pad Managers?"

How do you say that without it coming across as nasty?


Well Dave, that's what we've done during a regular monthly launch.
Someone usually steps up quickly. Unfortunately it's usually one of the same crowd of volunteers.

There really is not a nice way to put it to them.
I feel there is no need to sugar coat it either. We have enough volunteers for the launch or we are going to sit around here roasting our arsses off until people step up.
It's not brain surgery.

or you can do it the way John says. That might work too.

[jflis]

Finally got my NERRF pix uploaded! You can view the photo album by clicking this link. (http://fliskits.com/photo_album/2010/nerrf/index.htm)

Enjoy! :)
jim

[The EGE]

Glad that Triskelion had all the caution tape on it... nearly hit me :eek:

The 'HPR Drag Race' was between my Sudden Mach and Crazy Jim's Blackhawk on G78Gs, and someone's rocket on a J. That's the longer Sudden Mach on the left pulling ahead of the Blackhawk, photo proof.

Those are great pictures, thanks!

[THarrison]

Anybody have details on this rocket with the massive flame from Jim's album?

[JDcluster]

It looks to be of a Silver Streak motor...




JD



Anybody have details on this rocket with the massive flame from Jim's album?

[mainer]

On sunday around noon (give or take an hour), someone launched mid to high powered 2 stage rocket. I think it was a black brant 2 stage, or one that looked like one. I was wondering, b/c that was one awesome flight. Perfect seperation, the second stage took off perfecftly. You couldnt ask for a better flight.

[JDcluster]

That was a WAC Corporal with Tin Tim Booster.

You do mean this rocket?



JD




On sunday around noon (give or take an hour), someone launched mid to high powered 2 stage rocket. I think it was a black brant 2 stage, or one that looked like one. I was wondering, b/c that was one awesome flight. Perfect seperation, the second stage took off perfecftly. You couldnt ask for a better flight.

[mainer]

That was a WAC Corporal with Tin Tim Booster.

You do mean this rocket?



JD

Thats the one

[kandsrockets]

Jim can you send me these two pictures please. kandsrockets@hughes.net The first one is of our American Solar Clipper on a 5 grain 54mm red motor and the second one is our Green Goblin on a 4 grain 54mm Dark Wing motor

http://fliskits.com/photo_album/2010/nerrf/images/dsc08593.jpg

http://fliskits.com/photo_album/2010/nerrf/images/dsc08359.jpg

[jflis]

Jim can you send me these two pictures please. kandsrockets@hughes.net The first one is of our American Solar Clipper on a 5 grain 54mm red motor and the second one is our Green Goblin on a 4 grain 54mm Dark Wing motor


You should have them shortly :)

jim

[kandsrockets]

You should have them shortly :)

jim

Thank you very much Jim. It was nice seeing you again at NERRF. Are you coming to NYPOWER?

[patelldp]

The rocket coming down on the chute is my 3" Diameter rocket named "The Goon." It had just flown on a 29-450 I250 WL clone with apogee deploy.

[jflis]

Thank you very much Jim. It was nice seeing you again at NERRF. Are you coming to NYPOWER?

Can't make NYPOWER as I have another commitment in Schenectady that weekend (besides, it's my anniversary weekend! :) )

jim

[jflis]

The rocket coming down on the chute is my 3" Diameter rocket named "The Goon." It had just flown on a 29-450 I250 WL clone with apogee deploy.

Yep, that's one's near the beginning of my photo album (about 20% in). Photo credits please, folks... (it's really all I ask :) ).

I can't remember is I was trying to get the launch shot and missed, capturing the returning rocket by accident, OR if I was trying to get a recovery photo and that darned rocket boosted through the shot... LOL It *is* an interesting shot though... :)

jim

[AndyC]

Yep, that's one's near the beginning of my photo album (about 20% in). Photo credits please, folks... (it's really all I ask :) ).

I can't remember is I was trying to get the launch shot and missed, capturing the returning rocket by accident, OR if I was trying to get a recovery photo and that darned rocket boosted through the shot... LOL It *is* an interesting shot though... :)

jim

It is an interesting shot. I'm not positive, since I think I saw another with a similarly painted V2, but I think the butt end of rocket was my 7.6" V2 on an EX Red Star K800 motor.

[patelldp]

Yep, that's one's near the beginning of my photo album (about 20% in). Photo credits please, folks... (it's really all I ask :) ).

I can't remember is I was trying to get the launch shot and missed, capturing the returning rocket by accident, OR if I was trying to get a recovery photo and that darned rocket boosted through the shot... LOL It *is* an interesting shot though... :)

jim

Sorry Jim, I was attempting to identify stuff and failed to mention it was your picture.

[jflis]

Sorry Jim, I was attempting to identify stuff and failed to mention it was your picture.

Dan, not a problem (really) :) just staying on top of things. I once had almost and entire photo album reproduced on another web site with no credit given so I sometimes get a bit sensitive... Plus it's been HOT around here lately and I'm a bit off my feed... LOL

[gregzo]

So Jim...you think it has been HOT here?!?!?!?!?! :eyepop:

YIKES is it ever warm!! Yesterday was the first day I skipped a planned bike ride because of heat. It was just too miserable to do anything.

Great pics Jim!!!

[Toyguy]

Anybody have details on this rocket with the massive flame from Jim's album?

I believe that's my PML Tethys on a vintage Rocketflite H220 Silver Streak. A bit hard to tell but seems to have the right shape and colorings.

[Mike Di Venti]

I believe that's my PML Tethys on a vintage Rocketflite H220 Silver Streak. A bit hard to tell but seems to have the right shape and colorings.

Yes , that was yours. I was co-RSO when you brought it up. That was my first silver streak motor to see launched.
Very nice. Great flight.