A Question for ScrapDaddy

[troj]

I ask this, based on the various questions I see you posting, as I think it's something that would benefit you tremendously, provide you a lot of knowledge, and give you a handy reference or two...

Have you read either The Handbook of Model Rocketry (http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Model-Rocketry-7th-Official/dp/0471472425/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270134525&sr=8-1) or Modern High Power Rocketry (http://www.amazon.com/Modern-High-Power-Rocketry-Mark-Canepa/dp/1412058104/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270134564&sr=8-1)?

If not, I'd highly encourage you to pick up both books and read them -- you'll find a ton of information in them, as well as the answers to many of your questions. They're a valuable resource, even for experienced builders.

-Kevin

[Gillard]

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[UPscaler]

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This could get interesting.

[GaryT]

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LOLOLOL....I believe its a valid question.

[slogfilet]

The Handbook of Model Rocketry was one of my first purchases when getting back into the hobby.

I actually read it cover to cover, and still refer to it constantly!

[Evo666]

Isn't what this forum is for so we can learn in this technology age?

[cjl]

Isn't what this forum is for so we can learn in this technology age?

Yes, the forum is to help share knowledge and learn. However, it is not meant to replace books such as Kevin mentioned above - they are an excellent place to gain basic knowledge. The forum is meant to augment that basic knowledge with the experience of a wide range of rocketeers.

[shrox]

Isn't what this forum is for so we can learn in this technology age?

Actually, I think the forums are mainly for venting against Caesar and Roman expansion into Gaul.

[slogfilet]

Actually, I think the forums are mainly for venting against Caesar and Roman expansion into Gaul.

Mind your declensions! The fora are mainly for venting against Caesar and Roman expansion into Gaul.

The forums are for venting about everything else!

[shrox]

Mind your declensions! The fora are mainly for venting against Caesar and Roman expansion into Gaul.

The forums are for venting about everything else!

Holy Bizzaro Superman! Mea culpa...

Wait, they didn't speak Latin, they spoke Shakespearean English! I saw it in on BBC!

[dixontj93060]

The forum is meant to augment that basic knowledge with the experience of a wide range of rocketeers.

BINGO!!!

[Gillard]

Where is he? I have to go out in twenty minutes and I so want to see the reply.
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[ben_ullman]

Where is he? I have to go out in twenty minutes and I so want to see the reply.
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[...inappropriate comments removed...]

Ben

[troj]

Guys, let's be nice -- my question is a legitimate effort to help guide someone who's obviously enthusiastic about rocketry.

-Kevin

[rokitflite]

I think Kevin has some excellent advice. I mean, 750 posts in 2 months is a bit much. The handbook is an outstanding read for anyone interested in the hobby. Making the members of this forum essentially rewrite the handbook in 25 different threads on this forum is not a very efficient way to get the info.

[ONAWHIM]

Scrap,

I'm coming back into this once again.
I got myself a copy of Modern High Power Rocketry-2.

Good reading, lots of info and ideas, and when my brain is tired I just look at the pictures:D


My 2 cents, each thread is a conversation of sorts.
If someone were to steal or "hijack" the current conversation it may be annoying.
Stay with the thread topic and chime in when appropriate.

All is good, see ya around.

Wm.

[ScrapDaddy]

Scrap,

I'm coming back into this once again.
I got myself a copy of Modern High Power Rocketry-2.

Good reading, lots of info and ideas, and when my brain is tired I just look at the pictures:D


My 2 cents, each thread is a conversation of sorts.
If someone were to steal or "hijack" the current conversation it may be annoying.
Stay with the thread topic and chime in when appropriate.

All is good, see ya around.

Wm.

Right now I have 3 things to say:

#1 awww a thread about me!
#2 I placed an order for one on eBay, but I never recieved it.
#3Sorry To the TRF'ers who run into my threads


Sorry guys for asking all of these questions that will not be a use to me for a forseable time, I'm tied up with the Delta IV rocket that's coming in soon and the rebuild or my Super- roc, my Fat-Boy model, my supersized heli roc, my ominous rocket that I have dubbed "tank ammunition".... Anyway sorry again for all of this...erm...."displeasured annoyence" I have created, I am just a firm believer in the "do things right the first time(it's cheaper)) but apperently the proper way to learn is "make a mistake and ask what went wrong" this senereo this reminds me of when I was on an online world called "evony" I told all the members of my allience to send me food, supplys... Blah blah blah,anyway they got annoyed with my constant asking for reasources (here on TRF it's info)well if you've maneged to read through all this mumbling then here is your reward, I herebly pledge to not start anythreads unless the info can be used at the time of constuction. Which reminds me keep an eye out for my first build thread which will be under MPR

best of wishes,
Monty yup that's my name but I like being called scrapdaddy

[ScrapDaddy]

Actually, I think the forums are mainly for venting against Caesar and Roman expansion into Gaul.
Well the battle of Alesia certainly was intresting, if vercengeterix (hard to spell) kept harrassing ceasar with his calvery then the romans would never have finished the second wall..... And the romans never conquered Gaul, they simply supressed them.

[troj]

#2 I placed an order for one on eBay, but I never recieved it.

Good to hear you're pursued getting a copy.

If your eBay purchase doesn't come through, head over to Amazon. Both books are very reasonably priced, and you'll find them incredibly useful to you over the years. Seriously.

I bought my first copy of The Handbook of Model Rocketry when I was about 30, and had built rockets for years. I still learned stuff from it.

Mark Canepa's book is also an incredible resource.

-Kevin

[GrossApproximator]

Mark Canepa's book is also an incredible resource.

-Kevin

I agree. Van Milligan's book (model rocket design and construction, 3rd ed) is excellent too. :D

[ScrapDaddy]

Good to hear you're pursued getting a copy.

If your eBay purchase doesn't come through, head over to Amazon. Both books are very reasonably priced, and you'll find them incredibly useful to you over the years. Seriously.

I bought my first copy of The Handbook of Model Rocketry when I was about 30, and had built rockets for years. I still learned stuff from it.

Mark Canepa's book is also an incredible resource.

-Kevin

What attracted me to the eBay one was the cost only 7cents

[troj]

What attracted me to the eBay one was the cost only 7cents

You'll often find, as you already have from the sounds of it, that a price that's "too good to be true" really is.

It'd be worth checking your local library to see if they have a copy. Some do, many do not, but it doesn't hurt to check.

-Kevin

[ScrapDaddy]

You'll often find, as you already have from the sounds of it, that a price that's "too good to be true" really is.

It'd be worth checking your local library to see if they have a copy. Some do, many do not, but it doesn't hurt to check.

-Kevin


Well I have learned lots of stuff on TRF and here are my excuses for my stupid questions one TRF that I start every now and then,

#1 there were some of these pointless questions on the Archive so I wanted to recreate that
#2 I am asking these questions so you won't have to answer them later, someone was bound to answer them sometime
#3 Granted Most TRF'ers are far more experienced than Me but I do know the very basic stuff(plus a whole wad of useless stuff)
#4 all of my threads no matter how stupid the question may seem, has a project behind it, remember "clustering stages" or "how to paunch a 15ft super-roc" one of my more recent schemes inclueded "how to fiberglass an airframe"out of all of these threads came a design granted some may not make it off the drawing board.......:2:

[troj]

BTW, Scrap, something I'd like to add...

Everyone here sees that you have a tremendous amount of enthusiasm, and the last thing we want to do is dampen that. But, at the same time, you're diving in head first, and going a bit fast.

My goal with the book recommendation is to do two things... 1) Foster the enthusiasm, by giving you resources that will help you learn. 2) Slow you down a bit, by giving you a reading assignment, and help get you moving at a sustainable pace.

The goal of getting you to take a step back, take a deep breath, and come at it at a more measured pace isn't something that's unique to you. Someone else here has been told he needs to do the same thing, several times.

Keep up the enthusiasm -- it's great to see. But let's get you moving at a pace where you won't burn out or get frustrated.

-Kevin

[ScrapDaddy]

I can still remember Bens 75mm deuce on the archive :roll: good times :D I do need to slow down a bit, thought the acctually cost is doing quite well on it's own :D

[troj]

I can still remember Bens 75mm deuce on the archive :rolling: good times :D I do need to slow down a bit, thought the acctually cost is doing quite well on it's own :D

That's where the book will help -- in the long run, you will save money due to what the book will teach you.

-Kevin

[slogfilet]

#2 I placed an order for one on eBay, but I never recieved it.

I thought you had received it....

http://www.rocketryforum.com/showpost.php?p=85001&postcount=44

[Evo666]

I can tell you guys that I have learned a bunch from reading on scrapdaddy's threads. There are some things unsearchable that I've ran into because my terms were three characters like "rod" and others.

[Gillard]

I can tell you guys that I have learned a bunch from reading on scrapdaddy's threads. There are some things unsearchable that I've ran into because my terms were three characters like "rod" and others.

There probably have been some gems of info in the threads started by Scrapdaddy but after the heap of pointless threads (the "the" thread for instance) i stopped reading most of the threads.

[THier]

Hey Scrap,,,

Don't take this the wrong way,,,, but you don't know what you don't know. AND when you get to be my age you forget stuff, like using a deployment bag. I got out of the hobby for about 5 years,, new daughter,, work ect. I remembered how to rig the bag with the NC on its own chute,, but not tethered, I completely went blank. I had to look it up,, yes it is very simple,, but I totally brain farted.

Stuff that someone else might think of as "basic knowledge" you might have never dreamed of.

Keep at it!!

Tom

[MaxQ]

Keep up the enthusiasm -- it's great to see. But let's get you moving at a pace where you won't burn out or get frustrated.

-Kevin

.........................or "retired?"

[ScrapDaddy]

There probably have been some gems of info in the threads started by Scrappydo but after the heap of pointless threads (the "the" thread for instance) i stopped reading most of the threads.

The only pointless threads I have started are the semicolon and the "the" thread

[MaxQ]

The only pointless threads I have started are the semicolon and the "the" thread

757 posts...11.1 per day.
Are you neglecting your studies?

[ScrapDaddy]

You have to realize I only started posting 2 months ago

[MaxQ]

You have to realize I only started posting 2 months ago

......"only" two months ago......? Wow.

You must be glued to that chair in front of the computer.
That's fine.

I would suggest, like others here already did, that you could get a lot of the basic information you were looking for by merely researching and reading.
It is quite impressive how much specialized information is available online these days...information that was not available a mere 5 or 10 years ago, particulalrly in this hobby.

[JDcluster]

You're running a 7:1 Post to Ns ratio....



JD



You have to realize I only started posting 2 months ago

[ben_ullman]

.........................or "retired?"

I feel this is directed at me, but im not sure.

Ben

[cjl]

757 posts...11.1 per day.
Are you neglecting your studies?

To be fair, there was a period on the old TRF when I had >7 per day (sustained for >7000 posts), and it wasn't that hard. What's difficult is having a lot of useful posts per day (and I'll be the first to admit that not all of mine were useful).

[MaxQ]

I feel this is directed at me, but im not sure.

Ben

Neither am I .....

You were never "retired", were you?

[MaxQ]

To be fair, there was a period on the old TRF when I had >7 per day (sustained for >7000 posts), and it wasn't that hard. What's difficult is having a lot of useful posts per day (and I'll be the first to admit that not all of mine were useful).
Wellll........ok.

But I bet you never neglected your studies....

[cjl]

Wellll........ok.

But I bet you never neglected your studies....

Me? Never neglecting my studies?

Man, you clearly don't know me. I'm the greatest procrastinator ever :D

(I do get the work done 99% of the time - I just tend to get it done at 3AM the morning that it is due)

[MaxQ]

Me? Never neglecting my studies?

Man, you clearly don't know me. I'm the greatest procrastinator ever :D

(I do get the work done 99% of the time - I just tend to get it done at 3AM the morning that it is due)

Gawd...you're bringing back some bad memories...

I still have reoccurring nightmares (at age 57) about going to take finals after missing some classes or that I didn't study enough for......ughhhhhh

[ben_ullman]

Neither am I .....

You were never "retired", were you?

hmm doesnt ring a bell.

Ben

[MaxQ]

hmm doesnt ring a bell.

Ben

heheh.
Didn't think so.


Ben...if you make it to Red Glare VIII, tell me how Gary's new AT sparkies look.
If they look anywhere as good as a Silver Streak...I'm going to be getting some.
I see Gary himself is supposed to be there.

[JAL3]

Mind your declensions! The fora are mainly for venting against Caesar and Roman expansion into Gaul.

The forums are for venting about everything else!

Be careful. I got pilloried on N3 for remembering that the plural of neuters tends to take the a.

O, that's right. This isn't N3:rolleyes:

[ben_ullman]

heheh.
Didn't think so.


Ben...if you make it to Red Glare VIII, tell me how Gary's new AT sparkies look.
If they look anywhere as good as a Silver Streak...I'm going to be getting some.
I see Gary himself is supposed to be there.

why arent you coming?

Hotels booked! Fees paid!

Ben

[MaxQ]

why arent you coming?

Hotels booked! Fees paid!

Ben

Two things...
- I have an opportunity to get one half of my annual required CEU's (continuing education credits) in one single day that weekend - to maintain my professional certification/licensure (yeah, we gotta do that stuff nowadays),

- my mother. Showing signs of Alzheimers big time and I've been taking care of her weekends until I can get her moved into an assisted living facilty. Really depressing stuff.

[ben_ullman]

Two things...
- I have an opportunity to get one half of my annual required CEU's (continuing education credits) in one single day that weekend - to maintain my professional certification/licensure (yeah, we gotta do that stuff nowadays),

- my mother. Showing signs of Alzheimers big time and I've been taking care of her weekends until I can get her moved into an assisted living facilty. Really depressing stuff.

Let me know if you need labor moving. now that we have the new truck (you havent seen it yet, 2008 F250) I can provide labor and hauling power if you need it.

My dads mom went through alzheimers, if you ever need anything he would be more than glad to help. It was pretty painful the day my grandfather went to see her and she said "who are you". After 50+ years of marriage

Ben

[MarkII]

In defense of my friend and fellow Adirondacker Monty, please see this post (http://www.rocketryforum.com/showpost.php?p=89017&postcount=8). It refers to one particular question, but it has broader relevance.

Mark K.

[MaxQ]

Let me know if you need labor moving. now that we have the new truck (you havent seen it yet, 2008 F250) I can provide labor and hauling power if you need it.

My dads mom went through alzheimers, if you ever need anything he would be more than glad to help. It was pretty painful the day my grandfather went to see her and she said "who are you". After 50+ years of marriage

Ben


Thanks. I can imagine how terrible that must've been....my mom still knows me at this point..but I dread the day........

Dan Michaels is supposed to be demoing the new AT sparkies...pictures I've seen lead me to believe they may be as good as the old SS but I'll believe it when I see it...

(an F250 huh...that must be for hauling your L3.......)

[ben_ullman]

Thanks. I can imagine how terrible that must've been....my mom still knows me at this point..but I dread the day........

Dan Michaels is supposed to be demoing the new AT sparkies...pictures I've seen lead me to believe they may be as good as the old SS but I'll believe it when I see it...

(an F250 huh...that must be for hauling your L3.......)

Ill get my dad to shoot some video.

Were going to be burning alot of AP at RG. Sorry your going to miss out!

Ben

[ScrapDaddy]

In defense of my friend and fellow Adirondacker Monty, please see this post (http://www.rocketryforum.com/showpost.php?p=89017&postcount=8). It refers to one particular question, but it has broader relevance.

Mark K.

Thanks Mark, hence why I always take things a little far for many things, you learn alot more and I have gotten a little better at not starting threads that are pointless, though I get the urge to do so sometimes.......(need to post pointless thread.....:caffeine:

[ScrapDaddy]

You're running a 7:1 Post to Ns ratio....



JD

Hahaha you clearly are not familiar with North Easten NY weather, the snow just melted last week, and I was lucky I flew at all (the golfers are getting mad:D) Anyway normaly in the winter I ski, but this year the mountain was being overhauled, so there was no skiing this year which was a huge bummer, and as you can see I fly lots of "A" Motors because if my tiny launch field, and during winter I wanted to get some general knowlage about **** so hence why I post so much, and 1/5 of my posts are short

[daveyfire]

Were going to be burning alot of AP at RG. Sorry your going to miss out!

I'll pack my face shield, Kevlar sleeves, and hard hat, then. Thanks for the heads up.

[Gus]

ScrapDaddy,

PM me your address and I'll send you a copy of the Handbook of Model Rocketry. Free. :)

[cjl]

I'll pack my face shield, Kevlar sleeves, and hard hat, then. Thanks for the heads up.

You might consider arriving ahead of time to build a bunker...

:D :eyepop: :y:

[THier]

I'll pack my face shield, Kevlar sleeves, and hard hat, then. Thanks for the heads up.

:roll::roll::roll: I'll make sure Neil has extra sprayers,, I'll bring a rake.:y::D

Tom

[troj]

PM me your address and I'll send you a copy of the Handbook of Model Rocketry. Free. :)

VERY generous, Gus!

-Kevin

[Peartree]

ScrapDaddy,

PM me your address and I'll send you a copy of the Handbook of Model Rocketry. Free. :)

:clap:

[ScrapDaddy]

ScrapDaddy,

PM me your address and I'll send you a copy of the Handbook of Model Rocketry. Free. :)


PM Sent :) thanks

[Gus]

Handbook of Model Rocketry is on its way.

[shreadvector]

http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?t=539

http://www.questaerospace.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=9502&eq=&Tp=

[Mikus]

Have you read either The Handbook of Model Rocketry (http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Model-Rocketry-7th-Official/dp/0471472425/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270134525&sr=8-1) or Modern High Power Rocketry (http://www.amazon.com/Modern-High-Power-Rocketry-Mark-Canepa/dp/1412058104/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270134564&sr=8-1)?

Thank God, finally. :neener:

Scrap Daddy, take his advice. Start with the Handbook of Model Rocketry first and then when you have it memorized go to Canepa's book. I have both, they are excellent reads. At the VERY LEAST read the Handbook.

Gus, you rock dude. :headbang: Good job.

Yo SD, we'll be asking you questions from the book. Be ready. ;)

[jadebox]

I frirst read the Handbook over 30 years ago. I have a later version on my bookshelf now. Every once in a while, I pick it up and read a few pages or a chapter picked at random. I'm still learning stuff from it. It's a terrific book and it's amazing how much information is packed within it.

-- Roger

[Pem Tech]

Handbook of Model Rocketry is on its way.


That was very kind Gus....
:clap:

[MarkII]

Thanks Mark, hence why I always take things a little far for many things, you learn alot more and I have gotten a little better at not starting threads that are pointless, though I get the urge to do so sometimes.......(need to post pointless thread.....:caffeine:I see that other members, especially Gus, are helping you out and that you are accepting the help. That is good and I'm really glad to see it (especially your response). But just because the pitchfork-wielding mob that was calling for your head has calmed down somewhat, don't think that you are completely off the hook, friend. You need to do a little self-reflection to understand why your posts (not you, just what you posted) got under so many other forum members' skin. There may have been a variety of reasons, but here's one that I think was prominent.

Please read completely through the following. Consider this to be your lecture.

First, let me say that, just like any other community, this forum has some rules of acceptable conduct that are spelled out (see the "Rules and Guidelines" post) and others that are unwritten, but "understood." The unwritten rules of conduct are just as important as the explicitly stated rules. Repeated and flagrant violations of them may not directly lead to having your posting privileges taken away for awhile, but they will definitely tick people off and create a bad atmosphere for everyone on the forum.

So what am I getting at? OK, here's the deal: when members start a thread in which they are seeking information, it is usually because the OP (original poster) has some immediate need for the information or at least has a burning curiosity about the matter. Not only are there many members on this forum who have a good deal of experience that can be relevant and helpful, there are also more than a few members who are professionals in the aerospace industry, and others who are either scientists or engineers or are in the process of becoming them. The information that they share can be quite valuable. Some of these folks will take the time to give the question a bit of thought and then post the best answer that they can provide. If the originator of the thread is serious, he keeps participating in it, providing clarification and asking follow-up questions until the he has received sufficient information to answer the question. Members who post to the thread or who just read it can easily tell that the originator is sincere if he does those things, stays with the thread and gives some indication of having thought about the responses that are given. This is one of those unwritten, but very important, rules.

How can we tell if the originator is unserious and just wasting our time? Big red flags are if the same person almost immediately starts a bunch of new threads on other subjects that are not related to the first one, if the originator doesn't respond at all or only posts wisecracks in spite of the fact that other members have taken the time to respond to his thread, if the originator never directly responds to any posts in his thread, if he shows no evidence that he has given any thought to what other members have said, and if the originator shows no indication of giving a rip about what anyone says in the thread that he has started.

The OP may think that he is just being playful and clever, but in reality what everyone else perceives is that he is wasting their time, disrespecting them and really abusing his privileges to post on the forum. The other members of the community don't just shake their heads and chuckle at the OP's antics, they get really ticked off! And pretty soon the forum become a very unpleasant place, and people start leaving it in droves.

Now ask yourself: does any of this sound familiar?

Everyone on this forum understands that you are young and that you are still learning the ways of the world. We also realize that you most likely did not have any malicious intent. As others have said, we also respect your enthusiasm and we understand your intense curiosity. We are always delighted when someone new joins our hobby, and we are happy to welcome them to The Rocketry Forum. The members of this forum are also a forgiving lot (even of me), and the occasional bonehead statement is quickly forgotten, usually. But they are not eager to keep giving more and more chances to someone who simply fails to clean up his act and play according to the rules. Show us that you can be a good citizen of our community. Show me that I should not regret coming to your defense. Others may come around to you if you start showing in your posts that you respect the community and value the opportunity to talk to the people here. I see that you are now making an effort; keep it up. Make us all glad to have you in the forum. End of lecture.

OK?

Mark K.

[ScrapDaddy]

I see that other members, especially Gus, are helping you out and that you are accepting the help. That is good and I'm really glad to see it (especially your response). But just because the pitchfork-wielding mob that was calling for your head has calmed down somewhat, don't think that you are completely off the hook, friend. You need to do a little self-reflection to understand why your posts (not you, just what you posted) got under so many other forum members' skin. There may have been a variety of reasons, but here's one that I think was prominent.

Please read completely through the following. Consider this to be your lecture.

First, let me say that, just like any other community, this forum has some rules of acceptable conduct that are spelled out (see the "Rules and Guidelines" post) and others that are unwritten, but "understood." The unwritten rules of conduct are just as important as the explicitly stated rules. Repeated and flagrant violations of them may not directly lead to having your posting privileges taken away for awhile, but they will definitely tick people off and create a bad atmosphere for everyone on the forum.

So what am I getting at? OK, here's the deal: when members start a thread in which they are seeking information, it is usually because the OP (original poster) has some immediate need for the information or at least has a burning curiosity about the matter. Not only are there many members on this forum who have a good deal of experience that can be relevant and helpful, there are also more than a few members who are professionals in the aerospace industry, and others who either are or are in the process of becoming engineers. Some of these folks will take the time to give the question a bit of thought and then post the best answer that they can provide. If the originator of the thread is serious, he keeps participating in it, providing clarification and asking follow-up questions until the he has received sufficient information to answer the question. Members who post to the thread or who just read it can easily tell that the originator is sincere if he does those things, stays with the thread and gives some indication of having thought about the responses that are given. This is one of those unwritten, but very important, rules.

How can we tell if the originator is unserious and just wasting our time? Big red flags are if the same person almost immediately starts one or more new threads on other subjects that are not related to the first one, if the originator only posts wisecracks in spite of the fact that other members have taken the time to respond to his thread, if the originator never directly responds to any posts in his thread, if he shows no evidence that he has given any thought to what other members have said, and if the originator shows no indication of giving a rip about what anyone says in the thread that he has started.

The OP may think that he is just being playful and clever, but in reality what everyone else perceives is that he is wasting their time, disrespecting them and really abusing his privileges to post on the forum. The other members of the community don't just shake their heads and chuckle at the OP's antics, they get really ticked off! And pretty soon the forum become a very unpleasant place, and people start leaving it in droves.

Now ask yourself: does any of this sound familiar?

Everyone on this forum understands that you are young and that you are still learning the ways of the world. We also realize that you most likely did not have any malicious intent. As others have said, we also respect your enthusiasm and we understand your intense curiosity. We are always delighted when someone new joins our hobby, and we are happy to welcome them to The Rocketry Forum. The members of this forum are also a forgiving lot (even of me), and the occasional bonehead statement is quickly forgotten, usually. But they are not eager to keep giving more and more chances to someone who simply fails to clean up his act and play according to the rules. Show us that you can be a good citizen of our community. Show me that I should not regret coming to your defense. Others may come around to you if you start showing in your posts that you respect the community and value the opportunity to talk to the people here. Make us all glad to have you in the forum. End of lecture.

OK?

Mark K.

#1 ZZZzzZZZ.... Woops I have your point:D
#2 is it not possible to be intrested with more than one branch of rocketry at one time?
#3 there is only one thing that has been biting at my heels right now, GIMBLiZED STABITLItY :D
#4 got it, il behave myself :( but that semicolon thread has gotten me obsessed with semicolens......after that lecture, sigh, there goes my agley thread :(
#5 I continuously put up this argument but people seem to forget, all my threads have a purpose, the reason many of them don't have a follow-up or a build thread was because I simply haven't come across the funds to do it yet...
#6 Mark, did you get that speech out of a fortune cookie? :roll:
and I'll close with this "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

[MarkII]

OK, then, I guess I was wrong about you. Apparently all you want to do is act like a troll. Goodbye, troll.

Mark K.

[ScrapDaddy]

OK, then, I guess I was wrong about you. Apparently all you want to do is act like a troll. Goodbye, troll.

Mark K.

Wow that is random.... I think???

[MaxQ]

OK, then, I guess I was wrong about you. Apparently all you want to do is act like a troll. Goodbye, troll.

Mark K.

Mark. Thanks for trying.
I think we all need to have a conversation with the moderators offline.

[troj]

Wow that is random.... I think???

No.

What Mark is telling you is that he made an honest effort to help you, and you gave him a flippant response. How he responds to you and how interested he is in taking the time to help you will be based on that.

A homework assignment for you: Research what the term "troll" means in regards to online communication.

-Kevin

[ScrapDaddy]

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]

please forgive my bad attempt at humor, seriously

[ben_ullman]

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]

please forgive my bad attempt at humor, seriously

This is what I was saying about earning even the right to joke around. You may not have bad itentions but wise cracks coming from someone out of the blue can get under peoples skin (it does mine)

the use of the emoticons is greatly over used. Im a kid to, I know (like you) when we talk to our friends most convos are 90% sarcasm, cursing, insults, and "thats what she said". But we are in a public environment (I see it this way) would you walk into a room full of random people aged 20-50 and start making wise cracks and poor attempts at humor? I hope not!

Alot of the guys on here know me from personal experiences, have met me, or know that I have earned my "right" to joke or make certain comments. Real life launching experience is something you desperitally need and it will help you out ALOT. From the social point to the actual building rockets point.

I still enjoy watching Black 5 every once in a while. Me and Dave are still friends,MaxQ lives a few miles from me, I fly with Their too. Were all friends in life and forum. I still ask dave when he wants me to make nother N for him and he still doesnt let me autograph his rockets magazine page with it ;) NAR and TRA may make it seem like this is a hobby made for adults (ok it sorta is) but its made for enthusiastic people who are willing to LISTEN and TAKE ADVICE. If you can do that and prove you are competent people wont have a problem saying "sure ill sign off on your rocket for ya"

This is coming from someone who is 28 days away from being 17. Ive been in your shoes. They all remember me as a wee annoying lad (not much has changed, im just taller) but I stuck with it and proved to them I could handle HPR and Ex and other things that come with experience and patience.

Ben

P.S. sorry for the length, we are all here to help

[ScrapDaddy]

This is what I was saying about earning even the right to joke around. You may not have bad itentions but wise cracks coming from someone out of the blue can get under peoples skin (it does mine)

the use of the emoticons is greatly over used. Im a kid to, I know (like you) when we talk to our friends most convos are 90% sarcasm, cursing, insults, and "thats what she said". But we are in a public environment (I see it this way) would you walk into a room full of random people aged 20-50 and start making wise cracks and poor attempts at humor? I hope not!

Alot of the guys on here know me from personal experiences, have met me, or know that I have earned my "right" to joke or make certain comments. Real life launching experience is something you desperitally need and it will help you out ALOT. From the social point to the actual building rockets point.

I still enjoy watching Black 5 every once in a while. Me and Dave are still friends,MaxQ lives a few miles from me, I fly with Their too. Were all friends in life and forum. I still ask dave when he wants me to make nother N for him and he still doesnt let me autograph his rockets magazine page with it ;) NAR and TRA may make it seem like this is a hobby made for adults (ok it sorta is) but its made for enthusiastic people who are willing to LISTEN and TAKE ADVICE. If you can do that and prove you are competent people wont have a problem saying "sure ill sign off on your rocket for ya"

This is coming from someone who is 28 days away from being 17. Ive been in your shoes. They all remember me as a wee annoying lad (not much has changed, im just taller) but I stuck with it and proved to them I could handle HPR and Ex and other things that come with experience and patience.

Ben

P.S. sorry for the length, we are all here to help


April 30th? Congrats, my birthday is exactly one week after on May 7 :) I'm gonna offically turn 12 (iv told people I'm 12 because It was just so close)
This is gonna be hard to take me seriously with but since you can mix your own propelent, and you have your drivers, then have you thought about going for the land speed record (which I held by SSC) which is 771 MPH ironicly held by a jet car, not a rocket car (fastest rocket car was the blue flame at 651 MPH)I think it's time the rocketeers took back the speed record ;)
And while I'm on the subject does the NAR have reguLtions on rocket powered toy cars? Like the ones estes used to sell?

[georgegassaway]

#1 ZZZzzZZZ.... Woops I have your point:D
#2 is it not possible to be intrested with more than one branch of rocketry at one time?
#3 there is only one thing that has been biting at my heels right now, GIMBLiZED STABITLItY :D
#4 got it, il behave myself :( but that semicolon thread has gotten me obsessed with semicolens......after that lecture, sigh, there goes my agley thread :(
#5 I continuously put up this argument but people seem to forget, all my threads have a purpose, the reason many of them don't have a follow-up or a build thread was because I simply haven't come across the funds to do it yet...
#6 Mark, did you get that speech out of a fortune cookie? :roll:
and I'll close with this "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
I’ll second what Mark II said. You've been all over the place asking WAY too many questions than you have built models to show for, or at least signs of learning to show for. I’ve seen this sort of thing before a few times. I made the mistake of wasting my time trying to help people like that.... until it became obvious over time what was really going on. It really SUCKs too, because it makes one wary from helping others later on who might not turn out to be that way, just over-eager.

I myself wasted time trying to answer at least one of your questions regarding launching a 13 foot Superroc. When is it going to fly Scrapdaddy? Do you have photos of it? Let's see it.

If you’re not purposely or consciously trying to do it, your posts have by now tipped the scales more at trolling than anything else. At least IMHO.

“GIMBLiZED STABITLItY”, huh? Well, I did a Gimbaled Engine Guidance rocket a long time ago (1989). Maybe after you have shown proof you’ve built and flown at least half of the projects you’ve been asking about, you might get some info. But until then why would anyone waste any more of their on-line time answering more questions that instead of leading to results, only end up leading to more questions that jump to totally different things?

- George Gassaway

[JDcluster]

Your posts are all over the place.
Stick to what you know & improve from there.......
Someone flying Estes doesn't need to know how to fiberglass.
As Ben has been told before in the past: You're in way over your head.

Build & fly more & actually learn & not this;
TRF 1,000,000 posts from the center of the Earth BS!



PS stay away from those Energy drinks, cause there bad for ya.



JD







Hahaha you clearly are not familiar with North Easten NY weather, the snow just melted last week, and I was lucky I flew at all (the golfers are getting mad:D) Anyway normaly in the winter I ski, but this year the mountain was being overhauled, so there was no skiing this year which was a huge bummer, and as you can see I fly lots of "A" Motors because if my tiny launch field, and during winter I wanted to get some general knowlage about **** so hence why I post so much, and 1/5 of my posts are short

[ben_ullman]

oh and scrap, if you want to know what I was like when I started on the forum, here is my very first post.

http://www.rocketryforumarchive.com/showthread.php?t=18498

I was just a little over 12 years old. I dont think I sound ANYWHERE near the way you do. And did you notice I provided some (although crude, and funny to laugh at now) plans. The Vostok never came to fruition, but I have 1/38th scale N1 cluster plans hanging on my wall infront of me.

You need to get yourself inline. We are all here to help and no one is going to judge unless we have a reason to. You have given us all a reason to judge you. build and launch some rockets. Try and get mom/dad involved more. Alot of the time they can answer some simple questions or give you something to think about.

Ben

[Chrisn]

ScrapDaddy, have you ever been a member of an internet forum prior to joining The Rocketry Forum?

[ScrapDaddy]

You guys have no idea.... My first post was asking for a 7.51" loc nose cone, I wanted to launch it on a single "C" motor:D I'm not sure what was crazier, a 20 engine vostok or a 7.51" rocket on a "C" take your pick:) my first real thread on here was about why we couldn't use gimbilization on our 18mm rockets, my most recent one being my Delta IV build thread.


PS the 13Ft super-roc kinked on the way up, I didn't see it again after that, and my new planed rocket the "tank ammo" will come around sometime

[WillMarchant]

I heartily second the recommendations for the Stine and Canepa books.

Has anyone mentioned the http://www.apogeerockets.com/education/newsletter_archive.asp newsletter series? Lots of GREAT stuff in there.

Estes has put their technical series back online at http://www.estesrockets.com/index.php/site/estes-educator and the "technical manuals" and the "classic collection" are just outstanding. Thanks Estes for making those available again!!! :clap:

[ScrapDaddy]

Spent a good 3 months of my rocketry life just scaning thru the apogee newsletters

[jadebox]

Also, check out Chris Michealson's ... err ... Chris Mikelsson's ... err ... Chris's web site at:

http://howtobuildmodelrockets.20m.com/

The site provides great advice on both the basics of building rockets and how to acheive really amazing results.

-- Roger

[Pat_B]

Originally Posted by ScrapDaddy http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?p=88867#post88867)
#2 I placed an order for one on eBay, but I never recieved it.



I thought you had received it....

http://www.rocketryforum.com/showpos...1&postcount=44 (http://www.rocketryforum.com/showpost.php?p=85001&postcount=44)


Am I the only one who noticed Slogfilet's reference to this post where ScrapDaddy mentioned that he already received the Handbook and was reading through it? Someone is lying here.

Like most of us, I'm a member of a number of different internet forums. So many of them are ruined by posters who post way too much and/or seem to have to jump into every thread. I've always thought I nice feature would one that blocked the highest-posting members from making any new posts until their post counts get below that of others.

[ScrapDaddy]

Originally Posted by ScrapDaddy http://www.rocketryforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?p=88867#post88867)
#2 I placed an order for one on eBay, but I never recieved it.



Am I the only one who noticed Slogfilet's reference to this post where ScrapDaddy mentioned that he already received the Handbook and was reading through it? Someone is lying here.

Like most of us, I'm a member of a number of different internet forums. So many of them are ruined by posters who post way too much and/or seem to have to jump into every thread. I've always thought I nice feature would one that blocked the highest-posting members from making any new posts until their post counts get below that of others.

And did anyone read my reply to that?

PS why would you want to block JAL3?

[Pat_B]

You did tell us that "Yup Iv been scanning through it ever since I got it the price was 7cents on eBay" in the other thread, yet you then said in this thread, "2 I placed an order for one on eBay, but I never received it."

Tell me, how were you able to scan through something that you never received? Which one these mutually exclusive statements is the lie?

[Trident]

I have no idea why I read so much of this thread ... morbid curiosity maybe.

I will find it interesting to see whether ScrapDaddy hangs in with this hobby. I've been involved in model rocketry since the 60s, and what I've seen SO many times is that many with such a frenetic level of enthusiasm to do all things immediately, ultimately leads to doing nothing else in the hobby. Basically, burnout. Not taking time to enjoy the learning experience, building up skills progressively, and methodically. I found this especially true in HPR, newbies wanting to climb the alphabet of motors and certification levels as fast as possible.

Should be interesting ...

[ScrapDaddy]

I have no idea why I read so much of this thread ... morbid curiosity maybe.

I will find it interesting to see whether ScrapDaddy hangs in with this hobby. I've been involved in model rocketry since the 60s, and what I've seen SO many times is that many with such a frenetic level of enthusiasm to do all things immediately, ultimately leads to doing nothing else in the hobby. Basically, burnout. Not taking time to enjoy the learning experience, building up skills progressively, and methodically. I found this especially true in HPR, newbies wanting to climb the alphabet of motors and certification levels as fast as possible.
Should be interesting ...

I have acctually had thoughts about droping out.....but we will se where that will go.

I like the lttle motors cause they are cheap!

[Pat_B]

Are you still taking the time to determine which of your statements was a lie?

[shrox]

Let's not throw stones.

[Pat_B]

Not stone throwing at all. Just trying to figure out which of his statements was the correct one.

[Pippen]

Could I ask everyone to relax? We have a very enthusiastic 12 year old on the boards. This is the future of model rocketry: feel free to help out with answers to specific rocketry-related questions, or please move along to other threads. Discussion about rockets is welcome on this Beginner's and Education board, ongoing discussion about a specific poster is not.

Scrapdaddy, could I suggest that you list your age at the top of your signature? We're thrilled to have interested young people here at TRF but it's not common and would help those who are reading/answering to understand where you're coming from. I had to list my name in mine shortly after coming here because people were constantly referring to me as a dad. :rolleyes:

[ScrapDaddy]

Yup you certainly don't wAnt this to become wikipedia :D

[ben_ullman]

Could I ask everyone to relax? We have a very enthusiastic 12 year old on the boards. This is the future of model rocketry: feel free to help out with answers to specific rocketry-related questions, or please move along to other threads. Discussion about rockets is welcome on this Beginner's and Education board, ongoing discussion about a specific poster is not.

Scrapdaddy, could I suggest that you list your age at the top of your signature? We're thrilled to have interested young people here at TRF but it's not common and would help those who are reading/answering to understand where you're coming from. I had to list my name in mine shortly after coming here because people were constantly referring to me as a dad. :rolleyes:

Hes 11 still BTW.

Shrox, I agree with Pat_B here, I want to know which is true. Because we had Gus ( a very gratious person) offer him a free copy of Handbook. Im sure Gus wouldnt want to give him one if he has it already

Scrap, you keep trying to put yourself on the same level as me (granted I have been comparing us a little bit, because ive been there, sorta). in your 7.51" nosecone thread I didnt see any pictures or any real information from you. Did you notice how I was providing information and plans? I was participating in the discussion. You dont need the forum. you need to log on to yahoo answers and just start typing questions.

Ben

[Pippen]

Ben, I asked that discussion about the poster stop and in the very next post you ignored that and carried on.

I'm locking this thread because I have better things to do this busy weekend.